Meet the Belgian Singer Who Never Sang a Note

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Apparently lip-syncing is a universal form of art.

In his 1977 world-wide hit single, punky Belgian pop star Plastic Bertrand described the trashy-sounding life of the tune’s hero, whose approval of his seedy existence is evident in the song’s title “Ça Plane Pour Moi” (roughly “Everything’s Cool With Me”). On July 28, however, Bertrand finally acknowledged things weren’t really so neat-o: that in addition having never sung “Ça Plane Pour Moi”, his voice was also conspicuously absent on the four records produced and sold under his name in following years.

At least now we know how to say “Milli Vanilli” in Belgian (or would, if Belgian were a language).

Plastic Bertrand (whose real name is Roger Jouret) told the Belgian daily Le Soir Wednesday that the composer and producer of “his” music, Lou Deprijk, sang on all the recordings attributed to him. Bertrand says Deprijk agreed to give him half a percent of sales and royalties if “I kept my mug shut”. All the photogenic and vivacious Bertrand had to do under the deal was lip sync in public performances like his 1977 appearance on Top Of the Pops (video above), when “Ça Plane Pour Moi” began a run that wound up selling eight million singles—awaiting a re-recording of the hit by Bertrand himself as promised by Deprijk.

That righting of pop history never transpired, of course, and the pressure on Bertrand not to use his real voice to denounce the imposture grew with each new successful Deprijk-warbled record. Perhaps it was for that reason that when he finally spilled the long-suspected beans in Le Soir, Bertrand–very un-Milli-like—claimed to be the casualty in a 30 year career built on deceit. “I was the victim,” Bertrand insisted. “I wanted to sing, and he banned me from going into the studio. I was stuck.”

- Bruce Crumley

78 comments
WadeLarsen
WadeLarsen

A miserable excuse for an editorial. Hope Big Pharma cut you a good-sized check for your efforts.

mdnyc
mdnyc

Can always count on Dorit Reiss to troll the pro vax propaganda. What a bully.... to be paid to spread lies. How much do you profit from pharma, Dorit?

Parents are indeed NOT vaccinating. Why would they? Healthy unvaccinated child over a sickly vaccinated child? No thank you. You can take your herd immunity myths and test it out on your own family. We however, are much more educated than that.

And you can spare us the guilt trip of not vaccinating. Just like we will spare you the guilt trip of foolishly injecting your child with toxins.

Get a real job Dorit Reiss. You will feel so much better about yourself.

AudreyMeldrum
AudreyMeldrum

A ridiculous article focused on lumping ridiculous and false claims about informed and educated parent's. I'm not surprised TIME would stoop this low. What a pathetic article and attempt to spew lies and propaganda. Shame on you TIME. All those poor sick kids, getting stuck over and over with that needle and parent's sitting by idly, either because of fear or through brainwashing. Either way, what a ridiculous article. It's desperate times for big pharma, the jig is up and parent's know it! Talk about clinging to belief's, indeed, a belief poison will make you well...LOL

DericaBenoit
DericaBenoit

My friend just posted this article on her facebook.  Her baby recently died from Dtap.  This trash will not stop parents from spreading the dangers in vaccines.

BretKenyon
BretKenyon

Maybe the reason they don't like listening to your "reason" is because you refer to them as "loopy". The arguments you raise about them clinging to beliefs can also be applied to your method of attacking them. Maybe approach this subject from a well-reasoned, unbiased, and above all, compassionate standpoint, and you'd be surprised how many people sit and listen. 

faina
faina

Talk about clinging to ideas and beliefs. So many vaccine injuries and reactions, but the needle won't budge! You are the loopy ones. Take care of your children.


Medstu
Medstu

This sounds like a diatribe. Not intelligent nor measured. Propaganda?

CynthiaDenommeMaurer
CynthiaDenommeMaurer

What a warped piece of crap journalism. What's 'loopy' is injecting poisonous slurries of retroviruses, animal cells, formaldehyde, aluminum, mercury , etc. into children who were born with perfectly healthy immune systems and don't need intervention from medicine. They are assuming that we are all born defective nd need an assist from the medical establishment. Vaccines have NEVER been shown to be safe and by the process they are created will never be safe.

If someone vehemently sticks to the view that vaccines are injurious, it is because they have a vested interest in the health of their children and have done considerable research and found that not vaccinating was the best and wisest decision. Just ask the hundreds of parents of vaccine injured or killed children.

JakeCrosby
JakeCrosby

The author of this article has been described by March of Dimes' Senior Vice President Dr. Michael Katz of all people to possess a "failure to understand the biology of vaccines." 

http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/02/alice-park-and-time-great-media-frauds.html


I wonder if Kluger will someday cite his "failure to understand the biology of vaccines" as an excuse for why he trashed people for not trusting the CDC while ignoring research conducted and concealed by CDC associating mercury exposure from vaccines with a seven-and-a-half-fold increased risk for autism. 

http://www.autisminvestigated.com/forbes-emily-willingham-cdc/

MissBClean
MissBClean

"Don't confuse me with facts" Great title should have read "People can be brainwashed!!!" There was a time that "Facts' Proved the Earth was Flat. Asbestos was safe, Drugs didn't cause birth defects, smoking was okay for your health....ALL proven by SCIENTIFIC FACT!!! Not everyone can be brainwashed and with more outlets for self educating, people are no longer just accepting lies and being lied to!!

RichidsCoulter
RichidsCoulter

Vaccines can kill too, guess Jeff doesn't care about that part. Vaccines can cause serious but rare side effects, including brain swelling that leads to brain damage.

There has never been a single controlled vax/unvax study yet mainstream shills like Jeff keep parroting the information they're paid to parrot.

DoritReiss
DoritReiss

@mdnyc  luckily, most parents do vaccinate. That's because they are aware that the risks of diseases are much higher than those of the vaccines, which are very very small. And luckily, none of the ingredients in vaccines is toxic in the amounts in vaccines. 


The weak pharma shill gambit is really not a good substitute to having facts and evidence. 

DoritReiss
DoritReiss

@AudreyMeldrum  Vaccines protect children against disease. Most parents know that the rare risks of vaccinating are much smaller than the high risks of leaving children exposed to disease. That's why over 90% of the population vaccinates. 


Unfortunately, the unvaccinated tend to congregates in pockets, creating a risk of outbreaks, in which the unvaccinated are the first harms, but which spill over to others. 

DoritReiss
DoritReiss

@DericaBenoit  I'm sorry to hear your friend lost a baby. But the DTaP vaccine is extremely safe - much more so for babies than pertussis alone. 

DoritReiss
DoritReiss

@RichidsCoulter  Vaccines can certainly have harmful side effects. Their risks, however, are much smaller than the risks of not vaccinating - modern vaccines are very safe, and serious side effects very rare. 

Judi_Fox
Judi_Fox

@DoritReiss @mdnyc  Let's talk real numbers.  I am a chemical engineer with my masters in Environmental Management and have done risk based calculations for environmental toxic exposure.  


I was tired of seeing the media and people like you say things like "the risks of diseases are much higher than those of the vaccine".  


Here are your real risk numbers:


Risk of getting the measles in the US - 0.5 in one million

Risk for having a serious reaction or death - 3.45 in one million


I used the CDC, US Department of Health and Human Services, and the Vaccine Insert data to calculate these risks.


There were only 183 cases of the measles in 2013 and that was a "scary" outbreak in a population of 314 million.  


But from the Vaccine companies and YOU say that your child's risk is LOW and you should have no fear of a serious side effect from the actual MMR vaccine.  


The Vaccine companies say 1 out of every one million MMR shot that is given a child has a very serious reaction or even death.  That sounds low right???  But as you saw above it isn't LOW enough.  There were about 12 million MMR vaccines distributed in the US in 2013 and on average per the US Department of Health there are 3 deaths per year and an estimated 800 - 1,000 injuries.  I was being conservative because people argue about this data so I took the lowest number offered on the website.  


So when you compare apples to apples and put the numbers in the same units you find that you have a higher risk of having an injury from the vaccine than actually getting the measles.  Parents are choosing between 0.5 in one million getting the disease and 3.45 in a one million chance of having their child have a serious reaction like seizures or death from the MMR.  No parent wants their child to be the statistic that year for the 3 that die for the "Greater Good" when their child's risk of just getting the measles is 0.5 in one million.  

CynthiaDenommeMaurer
CynthiaDenommeMaurer

@DoritReiss @mdnyc They vaccinate because they have been bamboozled by pediatricians who need revenue from well checkups.  They vaccinate because they trust the medical establishment to tell the  truth about the vaccines (drugs) they are injecting into their kids and like you do, they lie their butts off about the efficacy and safety of the vaccines without showing the parents the inserts that list all the ungodly reactions, results and vaccine ingredients. Then you have the big pharma owned mainstream media pushing the lies along with the rest, never questioning anything they have been told. Then you have the conflicts of interest between individuals who work for the government, then big pharma and vice versa or both at once. How does a parent without the incentive to research all this stand a chance against the pressures and cajoling and mandates that are forced on them to comply?  That's why many parents vaccinate and those of us who have suffered serious injury at the hands of the vaccine industry are trying to sound the warning to parent to simply DO THE RESEARCH before you choose to vaccinate because once you vaccinate and your child is injured or dies, you can't take that vaccine back.

Judi_Fox
Judi_Fox

@DoritReiss @AudreyMeldrum  Let's talk real numbers.  I am a chemical engineer with my masters in Environmental Management and have done risk based calculations for environmental toxic exposure.  


I was tired of seeing the media and people like you say things like "the risks of diseases are much higher than those of the vaccine".  


Here are your real risk numbers:


Risk of getting the measles in the US - 0.5 in one million

Risk for having a serious reaction or death - 3.45 in one million


I used the CDC, US Department of Health and Human Services, and the Vaccine Insert data to calculate these risks.


There were only 183 cases of the measles in 2013 and that was a "scary" outbreak in a population of 314 million.  


But from the Vaccine companies and YOU say that your child's risk is LOW and you should have no fear of a serious side effect from the actual MMR vaccine.  


The Vaccine companies say 1 out of every one million MMR shot that is given a child has a very serious reaction or even death.  That sounds low right???  But as you saw above it isn't LOW enough.  There were about 12 million MMR vaccines distributed in the US in 2013 and on average per the US Department of Health there are 3 deaths per year and an estimated 800 - 1,000 injuries.  I was being conservative because people argue about this data so I took the lowest number offered on the website.  


So when you compare apples to apples and put the numbers in the same units you find that you have a higher risk of having an injury from the vaccine than actually getting the measles.  Parents are choosing between 0.5 in one million getting the disease and 3.45 in a one million chance of having their child have a serious reaction like seizures or death from the MMR.  No parent wants their child to be the statistic that year for the 3 that die for the "Greater Good" when their child's risk of just getting the measles is 0.5 in one million. 

CynthiaDenommeMaurer
CynthiaDenommeMaurer

@DoritReiss @AudreyMeldrum Oh, give it up, Dorit. The outbreaks are in the vaccinated.  Children need to be exposed to childhood diseases to build up their immune systems. It's in the natural order of things. All children aren't born with defective immune systems as is portrayed by you and the 'industry' that robs our children of their health and lives. The evidence is there and there will be more and more of it once people get their heads ut of the sand and stop listening to those who butcher the truth like you.

Judi_Fox
Judi_Fox

@DoritReiss @RichidsCoulter  FALSE!  Please calculate the risks and share the real numbers they are all there in black and white on the CDC, US Department of Health and Human Services, and in the vaccine inserts.  I did it and guess what it showed:  (I bet you can already guess because I have posted it above :)


0.5 in one million risk of actually getting the measles 


3.45 in one million risk of having a serious side effect from the MMR vaccine including death.  


Enjoy :)  Numbers are powerful and until you share real numbers your days of saying the "risks, however, are much smaller than the risks of not vaccinating - are over".  I am tired of that saying.  I was so tired of it that I spent days pouring over the data to calculate the above numbers.  Don't believe them?  Then challenge them?  Show us?  I have a strong case and I am tired enough to start really sharing my calculations.  Why is no one else doing this?  Why are vaccine companies not sharing the real numbers - if they were soooo low risk why are they not sharing numbers??? Because the numbers don't lie and that is why parents are choosing the risks wisely.  Until we have a true epidemic in the actual disease, I consider the vaccine injuries to be an epidemic because again the risks don't lie!  Share your numbers!!!

DericaBenoit
DericaBenoit

@DoritReiss @RichidsCoulter Their risks are much smaller than the risks?  Eh?  I just threw up in my mouth.  What do you say to parent's with vaccine injured children?  Just curious..there are tens of thousands in the U.S. alone. 

CynthiaDenommeMaurer
CynthiaDenommeMaurer

@DoritReiss @RichidsCoulter Sorry, Dorit, but vaccines have NEVER been proven safe and NEVER will be by their very nature. The side effects are not on the side, they ARE the effects of the vaccines and they affect all who receive them in one deleterious fashion or another. This is why the Vaccine Court exists and has paid out billions in damages to parents of damaged children and this is just the 10 % of cases that are reported.

DoritReiss
DoritReiss

the problem of your calculation is that you are making it on the background of high vaccination rates. The reason measles is so low in the U.S. is that we have an extremely effective vaccine that most people are smart enough to use. That's why we brought measles down to less than 60 cases a year in the 1990s, mostly imported from abroad, and that's why 183 cases is an outbreak: it's worse than what we had previously, and that is mostly due to falling vaccination rates. It's a cause of concern, because it may lead to more increase if vaccination rates drop further.


In other words, the low risk of measles is contingent on vaccination rates. So attacking the vaccines because of it is cutting the branch people are sitting on. 


Before the vaccine, this is what we had: "Before 1963, approximately 500,000 cases and 500 deaths were reported annually, with epidemic cycles every 2–3 years. However, the actual number of cases was estimated at 3–4 million annually." Almost everyone got it. 


Out of those, 30% had complications. 

Including pneumonia, encephalitis, deafness and death. One in a thousand got encephalitis alone: much higher than the much less than one in a million. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/meas.pdf


In other words, your calculations are misleading because they ignore the fact that the low occurrence depends on vaccination rates staying high. And even then, the risks are not even: measles today is mostly a disease of the unvaccinated, and the risks are substantially higher for the unvaccinated child. 

http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p2069.pdf


Especially if their parents take them abroad. 
By ignoring the importance of high vaccination rates - generally and in a community - in preventing measles, and ignoring the higher risk for unvaccinated children, your numbers are misleading. 

Read more: Meet the Belgian Singer Who Never Sang a Note | TIME.com http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/07/28/belgian-singer-cops-to-pulling-a-milli-vanilli/#ixzz2vxZt1dZ8

DoritReiss
DoritReiss

@Judi_Fox @DoritReiss @AudreyMeldrum @Judi_Fox @DoritReiss @mdnyc  and actually, the rates from MMR are "less than one in a  million". For example, for encephalitis, here is some data: 

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/QuestionsaboutVaccines/ucm070425.htm


Previously, this adverse reaction was listed under adverse events seen after MMR or varicella vaccination. Encephalitis has been reported approximately once for every 3 million doses of MMR vaccine. Post-marketing surveillance of more than 400 million doses distributed worldwide (1978 to 2003) indicates that encephalitis is rarely reported after MMR vaccination. In no case has it been shown conclusively that encephalitis was caused by a vaccine virus infection of the central nervous system.

DoritReiss
DoritReiss

@Judi_Fox @DoritReiss @AudreyMeldrum  

@Judi_Fox @DoritReiss @mdnyc  the problem of your calculation is that you are making it on the background of high vaccination rates. The reason measles is so low in the U.S. is that we have an extremely effective vaccine that most people are smart enough to use. That's why we brought measles down to less than 60 cases a year in the 1990s, mostly imported from abroad, and that's why 183 cases is an outbreak: it's worse than what we had previously, and that is mostly due to falling vaccination rates. It's a cause of concern, because it may lead to more increase if vaccination rates drop further.


In other words, the low risk of measles is contingent on vaccination rates. So attacking the vaccines because of it is cutting the branch people are sitting on. 


Before the vaccine, this is what we had: "Before 1963, approximately 500,000 cases and 500 deaths were reported annually, with epidemic cycles every 2–3 years. However, the actual number of cases was estimated at 3–4 million annually." Almost everyone got it. 


Out of those, 30% had complications. 

Including pneumonia, encephalitis, deafness and death. One in a thousand got encephalitis alone: much higher than the much less than one in a million. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/meas.pdf


In other words, your calculations are misleading because they ignore the fact that the low occurrence depends on vaccination rates staying high. And even then, the risks are not even: measles today is mostly a disease of the unvaccinated, and the risks are substantially higher for the unvaccinated child. 

http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p2069.pdf


Especially if their parents take them abroad. 
By ignoring the importance of high vaccination rates - generally and in a community - in preventing measles, and ignoring the higher risk for unvaccinated children, your numbers are misleading. 

WadeLarsen
WadeLarsen

@DoritReiss Folks are catching on to who you are: you're Professor Dorit Rubinstein Reiss, of UC Hastings, which is in bed with Kaiser Permanente, which is in bed with the CDC, which is in bed with Big Pharma: http://tinyurl.com/l4n6hxl

DoritReiss
DoritReiss

If you want to name a specific condition, I'd be happy to provide the studies. 

DoritReiss
DoritReiss

@CynthiaDenommeMaurer @DoritReiss @AudreyMeldrum  that, too, is incorrect. As these many articles show, unvaccinated children are at much higher risk of vaccine preventable disease than the vaccinated: http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p2069.pdf


Children's immune systems are not defective, usually, except for the few that are immunocompromised, which deserve as much love and care of their welfare as others and even more protection. But they are not perfect, either. Humans have been dying from diseases for thousands of years. Vaccines help protect them against some of those diseases that are very dangerous. 

Judi_Fox
Judi_Fox

@DoritReiss @CynthiaDenommeMaurer @DericaBenoit  If you gave real numbers for risk in a X in one million factor - it would show that this is an easy comparison to make.  Don't worry I tackled the MMR vaccine.  I will tackle this one next.  :)  Until people share real numbers in a real risk based format you are just hypothetically saying that your risk is "rare" or "low".  

CynthiaDenommeMaurer
CynthiaDenommeMaurer

@DoritReiss @CynthiaDenommeMaurer@DericaBenoit I'm tired of your explanations and talking points. I just don't believe you any more and neither do a lot of other well read, researching, educated parents or the parents of the many children who have been injured by vaccination. Simply, the science is foolhardy and unproven and quite dangerous. Vaccines are, after all, drugs, and need to be subjected to greater study and deeper concern since they are now killing our kids.  Hopefully my comments may reach a few parents searching for the truth before they allow some great harm to be done to their children. If this is what occurs, then maybe the information provided will give them enough to read or think about before they decide to walk away with their child from anyone holding a hypodermic needle.

DoritReiss
DoritReiss

@CynthiaDenommeMaurer @DoritReiss @DericaBenoit  

Here are the complications of pertussis: "The most common complication, and the cause of most pertussis-related deaths, is secondary bacterial pneumonia. Young infants are at highest risk for acquiring pertussis- associated complications. Data from 1997–2000 indicate that pneumonia occurred in 5.2% of all reported pertussis cases, and among 11.8% of infants younger than 6 months of age.

Neurologic complications such as seizures and encephal- opathy (a diffuse disorder of the brain) may occur as a result of hypoxia (reduction of oxygen supply) from coughing, or possibly from toxin. Neurologic complications of pertussis are more common among infants. Other less serious compli- cations of pertussis include otitis media, anorexia, and dehy- dration. Complications resulting from pressure effects of severe paroxysms include pneumothorax, epistaxis, subdural hematomas, hernias, and rectal prolapse.

In 2004 through 2008 a total of 111 deaths from pertussis were reported to the CDC. Children 3 months of age or younger accounted for 92 (83%) of these deaths.

Adolescents and adults may also develop complications of pertussis, such as difficulty sleeping, urinary incontinence, pneumonia, and rib fracture." http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/pert.pdf


Before the vaccine, over 4000 people died of it each year - most babies: http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=209448

 

here is the Vaccine Information Sheet for the DTaP: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/vis/vis-statements/dtap.pdf.


The vaccine's risks are:

"Mild problems (common)

Fever (up to about 1 child in 4)

  • Redness or swelling where the shot was given (up to about 1 child in 4)

  • Soreness or tenderness where the shot was given (up to about 1 child in 4)

    These problems occur more often after the 4th and
    5th doses of the DTaP series than after earlier doses. Sometimes the 4th or 5th dose of DTaP vaccine is followed by swelling of the entire arm or leg in which the shot was given, lasting 1–7 days (up to about 1 child in 30).

    Other mild problems include:

    Fussiness (up to about 1 child in 3)
    Tiredness or poor appetite (up to about 1 child in 10) Vomiting (up to about 1 child in 50)
    These problems generally occur 1–3 days after the shot.

    Moderate problems (uncommon)

    Seizure (jerking or staring) (about 1 child out of 14,000)

  • Non-stop crying, for 3 hours or more (up to about 1 child out of 1,000)

  • High fever, over 105°F (about 1 child out of 16,000)

    Severe problems (very rare)

    Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses)

Several other severe problems have been reported after DTaP vaccine. These include:
- Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness - Permanent brain damage.

These are so rare it is hard to tell if they are caused by the vaccine. "


It's not a hard comparison to make. 


Judi_Fox
Judi_Fox

@DoritReiss @CynthiaDenommeMaurer  if the data was clear - why are you not sharing real numbers that compare the risks in a straight forward manner.  Because when you do they look like this....


0.5 in one million risk of getting the measles


3.45 in one million risk of having a serious injury or death from the vaccine.  
I admit the risks are "low", but guess which risk is higher?   You should do these calculations yourself - prove what you are saying about risks and talk real numbers when you say you have a low risk of having an injury.  Put your lawyer education to good use and actually calculate some numbers..... dig into the data.  Convince us that this isn't the case and that the risks you talk about are truly "low".  Until then I feel VERY confident in my risk analysis based on the data from the CDC, US Department of Heath and Human Services, and the Vaccine inserts.  It is all there in black and white.  

DoritReiss
DoritReiss

@CynthiaDenommeMaurer  fortunately, most parents who are undecided know better than to based their decisions on conspiracy theories and personal attacks. They can look at the data. The data is very clear - and in direct contracts to your claims: vaccines are very safe, very effective, and prevent illness.


Vaccine preventable diseases, on the other hand, kill and maim. 

CynthiaDenommeMaurer
CynthiaDenommeMaurer

@DoritReiss @CynthiaDenommeMaurer@JakeCrosby Your sources are spoon fed in your talking points. I don't need to argue with you because you are beyond the zone of credibility. It is the parents who are undecided about vaccines that need to know the truth about the dangers inherent in them, how they are made, how ineffective they are and how unsafe; causing illness, damage and even death. 


The enigma for me with regard to you is how you can actually believe any of this pseudoscience (maybe because you aren't scientifically oriented) when you know in your heart that the deaths of very young babies and small children, not to mention pets,  is partially due to the beliefs that you cannot let go of; that this science is unscientific, false and totally unsafe for all living creatures; that all of humanity is deleteriously affected by your proselytyzing in the name of a monster god, the vaccine 'industry'. How do live with your lies and your conscience?

DoritReiss
DoritReiss

@CynthiaDenommeMaurer @DoritReiss @JakeCrosby  that's a creative claim, but it's also untrue. Hastings is not funded by big pharma; it's funded by a mix of state money, private donations - not from pharma - tuition and operations (like its garage and dorms). UC Hastings is the only organization that pays me a salary. 


You're welcome to point out - hopefully with credible sources - anything I said that was inaccurate. Accurate matters to me, which is why I provide sources for my comments, which people can check. 

Tracy_Peters
Tracy_Peters

@Judi_Fox @DoritReiss @RichidsCoulter  Yes, keep copy and pasting this nonsense. Repeating a lie long enough might make it the truth. You know nothing, and defy anyone's efforts to ameliorate your ignorance. Pathetic.

DoritReiss
DoritReiss

@CynthiaDenommeMaurer  attempting to dismiss the many studies showing vaccine safety as "bought and paid by pharma" fails on two counts.

A. Many of these studies are funded with government, non profit or university money. 

B. Conflicts of interests are important, which is why ethical researchers report them: they let us read the studies more critically. But they don't make the data go away. For that, you do have to show an actual problem with the study.


Dismissing all studies with claims of "pharma paid" is nothing more than claiming a grand conspiracy. 

CynthiaDenommeMaurer
CynthiaDenommeMaurer

@DoritReiss @DericaBenoit@RichidsCoulter Hmmm, a study bought and paid for by big Pharma., as many of them are. How convenient.

DoritReiss
DoritReiss

@DericaBenoit @DoritReiss @RichidsCoulter  Do you have credible evidence of this claim? Because as far as I know, it's simply wrong. 

Comparisons of the risks of diseases to the risks of vaccines can be found here for Australia: http://www.health.gov.au/internet/immunise/publishing.nsf/Content/D35CD18A3985212ECA2574E2000F9A4F/$File/quick_sideeffects.pdf; here for Canada: http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/cig-gci/cedv-cemv-tab-eng.php; here for the United States: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/fact-sheet-parents.html.  

DoritReiss
DoritReiss

@CynthiaDenommeMaurer @DoritReiss @RichidsCoulter  do you have any evidence animals viruses were in vaccines since the SV40 in the 1960s, which turned out not to cause cancer?


And yes, children do need vaccines. Before vaccines, thousands of them died each year from diseases we can now prevent. 

CynthiaDenommeMaurer
CynthiaDenommeMaurer

@DoritReiss @CynthiaDenommeMaurer@RichidsCoulter We know the process and it is NOT without too many variables such as the animal viruses that may still be in them. Even the vaccine manufacturers have no idea when there is RT activity, what type of retrovirus may be causing it, but they just ignore it and look the other way. They have even let contaminated lots of vaccine be sold and utilized. This doesn't even take into account that CHILDREN DON'T NEED VACCINES! You attack the immature immune systems by bombarding them with heavy metals, carcinogens, animal viruses and the like when what they relly eed to acquire natural immunity is their own mother's milk. You people are twisted and contorted if you really believe this awful, dirty pool of chemicals and diseases injected through the cannula of a needle into a child's muscle is actually doing anything good to them. People need to pen thei eyes and see what sloppy, sloppy science this really is. Not being a scientist, I guess you have only your talking points to refer to anyway.

DoritReiss
DoritReiss

@CynthiaDenommeMaurer @DoritReiss @RichidsCoulter  Here is the testing process that vaccines undergo: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/infographics/journey-of-child-vaccine.html.

It takes years - and after that, vaccines are monitored on market. If there really is a problem, it's discovered and handled. For example, the first rotavirus vaccine caused a rare - one in ten thousand - but serious intestines problem in children. It was discovered quickly and it was taken off the market. 


The vaccine court is excellent evidence of how safe vaccines are. In spite of being a very plaintiff friendly system, in 24 years it only compensated less than 3500 cases. A little over a hundred a year. Compare that to 35000 and millions of injuries from car accident. The most dangerous part about being vaccinated is driving to the pediatrician's office. See: http://shotofprevention.com/2013/11/08/congressional-briefing-attempts-to-discredit-vaccine-injury-compensation/