Pope Benedict Disputes Jesus’ Date of Birth

With the release of his new book, Pope Benedict XVI asks how much we really know about the birth of Christ

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Pope Benedict XVI holds a copy of his book "Jesus' Childhood" as he meets RCS publisher Paolo Mieli and Cardinal Gianfranco Ravasi, president of the Pontifical Council for Culture, in the Vatican on Nov. 20, 2012

Pope Benedict XVI has revealed in the third installment of his trilogy, dedicated to the life of Christ, that Jesus may have been born earlier than previously thought. The calendar we use today, which commences with the birth of Christ and was created by a Dionysius Exiguus, a 6th century monk, may be mistaken. According to the Telegraph, the Pope explains in his book that Exiguus, who is considered the inventor of the Christian calendar, “made a mistake in his calculations by several years. The actual date of Jesus’ birth was several years before.” The suggestion that Jesus wasn’t actually born on Dec. 25 has been tirelessly debated by theologians, historians and spiritual leaders, but what makes this case different is that now the leader of the Catholic Church is the one asking the questions.

Pope Benedict’s book, Jesus of Nazareth: The Infancy Narratives, was published on Tuesday. Like the previous two installments, it’s predicted to be a best seller, and a million copies of the book have already been printed. It is expected that the book will be translated into another 20 languages for publication in 72 countries. The Infancy Narratives follows the life of Jesus from conception to his presentation in the temple at the age of 12. The Pope describes this third book as a “small antechamber” to the trilogy on Jesus of Nazareth, reports the Vatican Press Office.

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Pope Benedict makes some controversial statements in the book. He writes of how the Gospel of Matthew claims that Jesus was born when Herod the Great ruled in Judea. However, given that Herod died in 4 B.C., Jesus must have been born earlier than Exiguus originally documented. Arguments surrounding Jesus’ exact date of birth have confounded scholars for centuries. Even the Gospel of Luke contends that the birth took place when Quirinius was governor of Syria in A.D. 6.

The author takes the opportunity not only to dispute the date of Jesus’ birth, but also to reaffirm the doctrine of the virgin birth as an “unequivocal” truth of faith. Reuters writes that Benedict reminds his readers that sexual intercourse did not play a part in the conception of Jesus. He states that a belief in the virgin birth of Christ is a “cornerstone of faith” and a sign of “God’s creative power.” “If God does not also have power over matter, then he simply is not God,” the Pope argues. “But he does have this power, and through the conception and resurrection of Jesus Christ he has ushered in a new creation.”

Pope Benedict also examines the “question of interpreted history,” referring in particular to the attempts of the Gospels, like those of Matthew and Luke, to make sense of events after they had occurred, notes Reuters. “The aim of the evangelists was not to produce an exhaustive account,” the Pope explains, “but a record of what seemed important for the nascent faith community in the light of the word. The infancy narratives are interpreted history, condensed and written down in accordance with the interpretation.”

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There have been countless interpretations of the birth, life and death of Christ throughout history. One such interpreter is Bill Darlison, former Unitarian Church minister and current vice president of the General Assembly of Unitarian and Free Christian Churches in the United Kingdom. Like others before him, he asks whether Christ was actually born on Dec. 25 or whether perhaps he was born “on one of about 150 other dates which have been proposed down through the centuries. Was he born in Nazareth or in Bethlehem and, if Bethlehem, was it Bethlehem in Judea or Bethlehem in Galilee?” He also argues that the spiritual birth “is always a virgin birth, because it is not related in any sense (except symbolically) to physical birth.” In 2004, TIME asked the same question, with David Van Biema wondering if “one might be tempted to abandon the whole Nativity story as ‘unhistoric,’ mere theological backing and filling.”

The historical revisionism continues with the Pope raising the issue of the presence of animals at the birth of Christ. He reveals in Jesus of Nazareth that “there is no mention of animals in the Gospels.” This may come as a shock to the thousands of schools currently preparing their Nativity plays. But Pope Benedict reassures his readers not to worry — that “no one will give up the oxen and the donkey in their Nativity scenes,” notes the Telegraph. Even if animals did not feature at the birth, the Vatican seems happy to keep up the myth as it presents an elaborate life-size Nativity scene in St. Peter’s Square this Christmas.

Jesus of Nazareth: The Infancy Narratives is available in English and published by Image Books. It follows the first two books, which dealt with Christ’s adult life and death.

This article has been amended. The original version referred to the conception of Jesus as “the Immaculate Conception.” The term refers to the life of Mary, mother of Jesus.

98 comments
ApLink
ApLink

If you don't believe, then why are you even reading this or searching about this? Are you having second thoughts? I feel sorry for those that do not believe that there's a creator, our God.

RichardWill
RichardWill

Debating this is like debating Gods Existence which can't be debated because evidence would need to exist for god or jesus and neither has any evidence at all. 


If you push the pope out of a plan flying at 18000 ft and have the whole world pray for his safe landing then he would of course splat.



It is impossible for a god to exist in our universe because god would violate the natural laws and so far we have found nothing that supports any possibility that those laws can be violated. 



The bible is full of Lies just look at some of these;


Genesis 2:5-25 : You can eat from any tree in the garden, except from the Tree-of-Knowledge....The Religious Mind has been ordered not to eat from the tree of knowledge! These intellectually inferior minds are forced to reason by analogy, classifying phenomenon according to superficial observations.


Joshua 10:12-13


Then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, "Sun, stand thou still at Gibeon, and thou Moon in the valley of Aijalon." And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.


Science-- The earth revolves around the SUN, the SUN is always still because we revolve around it but this little god thought the other way around...LOL @ god & it’s little believers.


Habakkuk 3:11


The sun and moon stood still in their habitation at the light of thine arrows as they sped, at the flash of thy glittering spear.


Science--The evidence in support of a geocentric model is overwhelming here. Joshua commanded the sun to stand still. He did not order the earth to cease rotating nor did he qualify his statement with the divine knowledge that the sun was merely made to appear stationary. The sun was commanded to stand still because it is the sun that moves. Descriptions of its motion can be rather poetic.



Galileo Galilei, was jailed BY CHRISTIANS for showing the earth revolves around the sun and that other planets had moons that revolved around those planets. The bible taught the church who in turn taught christians that everything must revolve around the earth and that the world was flat because of the following statements.


This idiot GOD clearly did not know how the universe works or how the earth was actually created. This is clear in the word of god known as the bible where this moron god states the following;


Remember that PRIOR TO Aristotle (384 BC – 322 BC), when the pages of the bible were just little stories written down and passed around from uneducated camel herder to to camel herder they taught the world was flat with this kind of garbage.


Chronicles 16:30: -- He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.


Psalm 93:1: -- Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm


Psalm 96:10:  -- Thou has fixed the earth firm, immovable


Psalm 104:5: -- Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.


Isaiah 45:18: -- who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast


Samuel 2:8, 10 -- The foundations of the earth are the LORD's; upon them he has set the world...the LORD will judge the ends of the earth.


Science -- earth's rotation is 1000+ miles per hour and is rotating around the sun at just over 67,000 miles per hour. Approximately


Science -- earth quakes the earth can be shaken!! the earth is not fixed and not immovable!!!! ;-)


Right here some christians try to say that earth is not flat but a circle, however every idiot knows, including god, that a CIRCLE is flat and they had games at this time that involved balls. If the bible is the word of god then you would think god would be intelligent enough to express this in the bible but god does not, little god doesn’t even know the shape of his own creation...LOL


Isaiah 11:12  -- He sits enthroned above the CIRCLE of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers.


He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in


Isiah 40:22 It is He who sits above the CIRCLE of the earth


Science -- a circle is flat of course and the context of canopy and tent only reinforce the fact that the idiots believe the world to be flat.


Isaiah 11:12 -- FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH.


Revelation 7:1 -- angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH (KJV)


Science -- must be a rectangle or square to have four corners i.e. Flat Earth


Job 38:13 -- ENDS OF THE EARTH


Jeremiah 16:19 -- ENDS OF THE EARTH


Daniel 4:11 -- ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH:


Science -- the earth is implied to be flat i.e. it had ends but sphere can have no ends

AuliaIdris
AuliaIdris

The Qur'an tells a lot about Jesus .. may add your information and knowledge.

albertbrian
albertbrian

When Was Jesus Born?

The Bible’s answer

The Bible does not give a specific date for the birth of Jesus Christ, as these reference works show:

  • “The true birth date of Christ is unknown.”—New Catholic Encyclopedia.

  • “The exact date of Christ’s birth is not known.”—Encyclopedia of Early Christianity.

While the Bible does not directly answer the question, ‘When was Jesus born?’ it does describe two events surrounding his birth that lead many to conclude that he was not born on December 25.

Not in winter
  1. The registration. Shortly before Jesus was born, Caesar Augustus issued a decree ordering “all the inhabited earth to be registered.” Everyone had to register in “his own city,” which might have required a journey of a week or more. (Luke 2:1-3) That order—probably made to support taxation and military conscription—would have been unpopular at any time of year, but it is unlikely that Augustus would have provoked his subjects further by forcing many of them to make long trips during the cold winter.

  2. The sheep. Shepherds were “living out of doors and keeping watches in the night over their flocks.” (Luke 2:8) The book Daily Life in the Time of Jesus notes that flocks lived in the open air from “the week before the Passover [late March]” through mid-November. It then adds: “They passed the winter under cover; and from this alone it may be seen that the traditional date for Christmas, in the winter, is unlikely to be right, since the Gospel says that the shepherds were in the fields.”

In early fall

We can estimate when Jesus was born by counting backward from his death on Passover, Nisan 14 in the spring of the year 33 C.E. (John 19:14-16) Jesus was about 30 years old when he began his three-and-a-half-year ministry, so he was born in the early fall of 2 B.C.E.—Luke 3:23.

Why is Christmas on December 25?

Since there is no evidence that the birth of Jesus Christ occurred on December 25, why is Christmas celebrated on this date? The Encyclopædia Britannica says that church leaders probably chose it “to coincide with the pagan Roman festival marking the ‘birthday of the unconquered sun,’” at the time of the winter solstice. According to The Encyclopedia Americana, many scholars believe that this was done “in order to make Christianity more meaningful to pagan converts.”

mendezm746
mendezm746

CHRIST:Gen 49:24 ..The Mighty God of Jacob,(from thence is the Shepherd,the Stone of Israel/Isaiah 8:13-14:);Jn 1:1-18 In the beginning was the Word[Isa 48:16],and the Word was with God[Ps 2;Pro 30:4/Rev 14:1],and the Word was God[Jn 20:28-29;Titus 2:13-14;1st Tim 6:14-16;1st Jn 5:20-21;Rev 1:7-8,17-18].He was in the beginning with God[Pro 8:22-31/Rev 3:14].All things were made by Him;and without Him was not anything made that was made[Col 1:12-22;Heb 1:1-12]. The First Christmas:CHRIST was sent into the world[Isa 48:16;Jn 3:16-17;1st Tim 3:16];The Star of Bethlehem [Micah 5:2;YHWH/JESUS,Num 24:16-17/Rev 5;22:16];Shepherds and kings[Ps 72;Isa 60:1-9].The Shepherds were nomads (from the tribe of Ismael's sons)in the border deserts of Israel and the kings were from Southern Spain,Ethopia, Yemen,and India.CHRIST was named JESUS/YHWH[Matt 1:18-25;2:1-18;Luke 1:26-37;2:1-21].Jn 5:43/10:25 I AM come in My Father's Name...Hebrews 1:1-12 ...v4 ..as He hath by Inheritance Obtained a more Excellent Name ..[Emmanuel Isa 7:14;8:8-14;9:6-7 ...and His Name shall be called Wonderful,Counsellor,The Mighty God,The Eternal Father,The Prince of Peace./Phil 2:5-11].Jn 10:30 I and My Father are One[Isa 48:16;Matt 28:18-20;Zech 14:9/Hebrews 13:8 JESUS CHRIST the same Yesterday,and Today,and For Ever].CHRIST was born on October 10,'Tishri" the seventh month of Jewish Religious Calendar,Feast of Tabernacles.After Elul,means Harvest and Harvest Moon is a Full Moon closest to Autumn Equinox(late summer,early fall September 22/23).He was baptized at the age of 30, was crucified and died in the flesh on Friday of April 6 at age 33.5 and His ministry lasted 3.5 years. INRI, Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum [John 19:19-24/Heb 12:2;Job 1:21 ..Naked came I out of my mother's womb,and naked shall I return thither:the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away;blessed be the Name of the LORD]. KJV

JNelly
JNelly

Easter is in fact, Ishtar.  It was a very Pagan holy day having to do with Spring and reproduction.  Passover was also celebrated at this time....and should be noted that Jesus celebrated Passover as well as the other true Holy Days that God ordained, and yet continue to go unrecognized by the church in favor of Pagan 'holy days' (which God warned His people AGAINST celebrating).  When the old Eath has passed away and God sets up His kingdom, His people will again celebrate the Holy Days (yes, the ones that we don't really know about or celebrate in the church)....so why are they forgotten?  Could this not be why America is so morally broken?  We say we believe in God, and yet we don't know WHO He is anymore.  We honor traditions over His word. 

IbrahimSuprapto
IbrahimSuprapto

Read AlQuran (Quran) and you will know... Alquran is a book of life. From God to human.

chris.yarsawich
chris.yarsawich

To paraphrase Allen Ginsberg: America, are you going to let our intellectual life be run by Time Magazine?

The depth and breadth of ignorance behind this article is truly astounding. I suppose no one would seriously fault Time for employing the proven tactic of sensationalism to boost their sales, but this really is an embarrassment. Confusing the Immaculate Conception with the Virgin Birth? Acting as if the discussion of the dating of the birth of Christ is new and "revealing"? The inability to distinguish "myth" from tradition? Maybe they should hire someone actually educated in this history of Christianity and, especially when writing about the Catholic Church, perhaps even a Catholic journalist? 

CrimsonJebakumar
CrimsonJebakumar

The first census decreed by Caesar Augustus could give a clue if we go through Roman Historical archives. Still, it is difficult to trace the exact date of Christ's birth. Theologians believe it could be 8 years before the Anno Domini. Anyhow, God was manifested in the flesh I Tim 3:16, The Alpha and the Omega Rev:1:17, was born in a manger to the virgin Mary as per the fulfillment of the Holy Scriptures Isaiah 9:6, Isaiah 7:14.  Psalm 2:7 can give some explanation." Today", however could mean --- even before the foundation of the world.  Please read Proverbs 8:22-31.

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Andy1000
Andy1000

"First of all, the earliest writings of the New Testament were done between 35-70 years AFTER the events they describe."

This is completely inaccurate.  Most of the New Testament consists of letters written to specific churches or people that are describing current controversies and events.  I can only assume you are referring to the "Gospels" as opposed to the "New Testament", which would make your argument slightly more accurate (but only slightly), other biographies of people of that time (eg Alexander the Great) were not written until over 400 years had passed since their death, so biographies written within a few decades were rather remarkable.

 "The Romans, who kept meticulous records, have none regarding a prophet being tortured or crucified, let alone as described in the bible."

If they were such good record keepers, why was no hard evidence found as to the historicity of Pontius Pilate, the Prefect of Judea, until 1961?  It would be analogous to us having no records of the Governor of Vermont.  People often confuse ancient Romans with Nazi-era Germans in the keeping of records.  Much of what we know about people of this era come from writers like Plutarch and Josephus, not from mountains of government documents.

"In fact, there's no record of Jesus as described in the bible anywhere OUTSIDE of the bible.  "Jesus" was as common of a name in Galilee at the time as "Joe" is today, likely indicating an archetype rather than an actual person."

 Except for Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, etc.

"The rest of the New Testament was written piece meal by a large variety of writers working off of the first writings over the next 400 or so years before they were combined with cherry-picked parts from the Torah, turned into the Old and New Testament and codified by the Synod (A precursor to the Catholic Church, if I'm not mistaken) as one holy scripture."

No.  There were multiple authors of the New Testament, but hardly a "large variety". The latest written entry into the New Testament was likely completed within 60-70 years of Jesus's death, not 400 years.  The Old Testament was not cherry picked but was essentially based on the books of the Septuagint.  The Torah is the first five books of the Tanakh, all of which are included in the Old Testament.  Also, the New and Old Testament were not codified by a Synod, which was not a precurser to the Catholic Church.  If you are Protestant, it was set forth by Martin Luther/another reformer/based on Church tradition.  The Catholic Church did not officially stamp out an official canon until the Council of Trent, though a traditional canon went back as far as the 4th century.

"All christian holidays were predated by pagan celebrations generally based on the cycles of the northern hemisphere seasons - including "Christmas", which was once the winter solstice (which happened on the 25th in about 400 AD when it was selected as the date of Jesus' birth."

No.  Easter was not based on a pagan holiday.  It is the primary Christian holiday.  The dating of Christmas came later.

"All it took was a bunch of people who didn't like the major religions of the time (Roman Paganism and Judaism) and the eventual fall of Rome (which pretty much ended Roman Paganism) which allowed them to step into the religious power vacuum."

Are you talking about the 12 Apostles?  11 of whom were martyred?  I'm pretty sure Saul of Taursus was fine and dandy with Judaism until the Road to Damascus.  Also, you seem to imply Christianity gained a boost when Rome fell, which is inaccurate since it was the official religion of Rome under Theodosius I.  The Western Empire stood for another 100 years after this development, the Eastern Empire lasted over another 1000 years.

"And this is scientifically supported, by the way, because the figure of Jesus is based on the Christian myth of needing a redeemer to be redeemed from "original sin" so that man could get into heaven when he dies.  But evolution proves there was no Adam and no Eve.  You can't propagate an entire species from a single man and a single woman, as is asserted by the Garden of Eden myth.  Everyone, it asserts, is a descendant of Adam and Eve, and therefore stained with original sin.  Evolution (and genetics, by the way) says that never happened.  So, since there was no Adam and Eve, there was no original sin to be stained by.  No garden of Eden, no fall from grace, no need to be redeemed, no point to a redeemer to be redeemed from something that never happened and absolutely no reason to believe in a redeemer to go anywhere when we die."

You seem to be dueling with modern day Protestantism that leans to the Fundamentalist bent.  People from St. Augustine to St. Thomas Aquinas to Protestant Reformers discussed...at GREAT length... original sin.  Whether there were a literal Adam and Eve or they were simply referring to the first beings in which God infused a soul, the discussion of Original Sin is not dependent on whether or not the first soul-infused beings had "Adam" or "Eve" stamped on their birth certificates.

"It would be nice if we finally entered the age of reason and left superstition - and its baggage - behind."

Thank goodness the "age of reason" had no baggage...like 40,000 severed heads rolling down the Champs-Élysées or 2 decades of uninterrupted combat embroiling the majority of Europe or the rise of 20th century totalitarianism.





 

DeweySayenoff
DeweySayenoff

First of all, the earliest writings of the New Testament were done between 35-70 years AFTER the events they describe.  The Romans, who kept meticulous records, have none regarding a prophet being tortured or crucified, let alone as described in the bible.  In fact, there's no record of Jesus as described in the bible anywhere OUTSIDE of the bible.  "Jesus" was as common of a name in Galilee at the time as "Joe" is today, likely indicating an archetype rather than an actual person.

The rest of the New Testament was written piece meal by a large variety of writers working off of the first writings over the next 400 or so years before they were combined with cherry-picked parts from the Torah, turned into the Old and New Testament and codified by the Synod (A precursor to the Catholic Church, if I'm not mistaken) as one holy scripture.  All christian holidays were predated by pagan celebrations generally based on the cycles of the northern hemisphere seasons - including "Christmas", which was once the winter solstice (which happened on the 25th in about 400 AD when it was selected as the date of Jesus' birth.

All it took was a bunch of people who didn't like the major religions of the time (Roman Paganism and Judaism) and the eventual fall of Rome (which pretty much ended Roman Paganism) which allowed them to step into the religious power vacuum.

In short, it's all made up.

So basically what we're debating is exactly when Jack from the Titanic or Rhett Butler from Gone with the Wind were born.  Both were works of fiction.  So was Jesus.

And this is scientifically supported, by the way, because the figure of Jesus is based on the Christian myth of needing a redeemer to be redeemed from "original sin" so that man could get into heaven when he dies.  But evolution proves there was no Adam and no Eve.  You can't propagate an entire species from a single man and a single woman, as is asserted by the Garden of Eden myth.  Everyone, it asserts, is a descendant of Adam and Eve, and therefore stained with original sin.  Evolution (and genetics, by the way) says that never happened.  So, since there was no Adam and Eve, there was no original sin to be stained by.  No garden of Eden, no fall from grace, no need to be redeemed, no point to a redeemer to be redeemed from something that never happened and absolutely no reason to believe in a redeemer to go anywhere when we die.

So believers have a choice to continue to pay (and they DO pay) into a bronze-age mythology that does nothing but impose guilt and take away all personal responsibility from them (After all, if no one is beyond redemption, then anyone can do anything and be redeemed in the end - and that's how it works regardless of the rationalizations some have come up with to argue otherwise.  By that light, Hitler went to heaven and Samuel Clemens went to hell.), or to face the fact that they've been believing in something that doesn't exist and maybe they should tend to their own spiritual lives and let others tend to theirs.

It would be nice if we finally entered the age of reason and left superstition - and its baggage - behind.

DCreader2
DCreader2

So if God can make a virgin pregnant if He wants to, then what exactly is the problem with condoms?

DanCarranza
DanCarranza

What a lot of BS this bloody pope is saying.... Faith is definitely gullibility..

RandyDowdy
RandyDowdy

I am a believer, but I have to continuosly ask why God doesn't do the public appearances of miracles and such that are talked about in the Bible.   Voices from above,   burning bush, images, etc.     If only 1 were to happen,  many more would believe, and thei souls would be saved from Hell.     I think God could do better advertisement, but I know it isn't for me to judge.

Ellisa
Ellisa

Immaculate conception was said to be on December 8, then why would it be instantly December 25

jesstura
jesstura

The Bible NEVER mentioned of Jesus' exact date of birth. So why a top religious leader is wasting time on irrelevant issue? Ona side note, if someone is seriously looking for a book (aside from the Bible) that beautifully narrates Jesus' life from childhood to His ascension to heaven, the book DESIRE OF AGES by Ellen G. White will never disappoints you. It will really brings you to Jesus' feet and the Bible, and not to the author of the book. Just read the reviews of those people already had read it. 

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/744346.The_Desire_of_Ages 

http://www.amazon.com/The-Desire-Ages-Ellen-White/dp/0816321833 

http://books.google.co.th/books?id=PWU61IzQE-0C&sitesec=reviews

tethime
tethime

December 25 was the date of the winter solstice, the pagan festival of the birth of the Sun; the point when the sun has reached its southern most trek below the equator, where it appears to stand still for three days.Thisdate of the winter solstice came to be adopted by the Christian Church as the nativity of Jesus, and was called Christmas" (Crosbie). 

Why is it not possible that Jesus Christ was ever born on December 25? 

Kindly read the article below ==>  

http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2009/12/28/ignorance-is-pardonable/

Jerry
Jerry

Virgin birth – Myth or Historical Truth?

This question falls over from the start if the virgin birth story doesn’t appear in the New Testament. And it doesn’t.

With the missionary activities of Paul and others, the passing of the original followers of Jesus and the destruction of Jerusalem, the NT soon fell into the hands of the Greeks and Latins.

They interpreted the Hebrew Scriptures through the prism of their own culture, and gave meanings to words and phrases never intended by the NT authors.

For example the Holy Spirit coming “upon” Mary is read as a virginal conception. However there are dozens of instances in the Bible where the Holy Spirit came “upon” individuals, usually men, but only in Mary’s case is it read as God impregnating someone.

Also a ridiculous interpretation was given to Mary’s question to the angel, "How can this be, since I do not know a man?" It interprets these words as Mary saying that she does not know how she could get pregnant in the future because currently she is a virgin!

I could go on, but to cut a long story short, the NT says nothing about a virgin birth. What it does say is that Joseph was not Jesus’ father. Luke 3:23, when properly translated, names Heli as the father of Jesus.

The few passages about the birth of Jesus in the NT are analysed comprehensively on — http://www.wallsofjericho.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14&Itemid=26

RovicBalunsay
RovicBalunsay

Why not ask the only sensible preacher in our time to know the date of birth of the Lord Jesus Christ... Non other than Bro Eliseo F. Soriano

e2mac
e2mac

it is very clear that the pope himself didn't know the truth,!........ is the pope reading the bible????.......  is the pope obeying the will of god????? i don't think so......

Mr.357
Mr.357

The christian God, supposedly all-knowing, all-loving, and all-powerful.  What major contradictions.  How about the date be never...

Glades2
Glades2

When a child the "lavish" nativity scene was widely accepted here in America, but today most Christians realize that Jesus was not born in a modern-type wooden stable with a straw floor, but more likely in a cold cave - life was very difficult back then, and no doubt when the time came Joseph needed to find somewhere for Mary to give birth, and the most likely place was a cave. 

My own opinion for a long time is that God permitted the error now spoken of by Pope Benedict, in order that Christmas would be held during the darkest and coldest time of year in the northern hemisphere - since the large majority of the world's population lives there, instead of having Jesus' birth celebrated in late March, as many historians claim, and it makes sense, since late March is also the first of Spring (and Spring fever), and Christmas would not be "as needed" by the world at that time, than it is in cold and dark late December, so my guess is that God permitted Christmas to be as it is as an act of mercy, since that also has a Scriptural connection regarding the Final Tribulation, and the Scripture passage that says, "Pray it does not come during Winter", so no doubt that was God's way of acknowledging the harshness of Winter, and perhaps is the reason He permitted Christmas to come during Winter, to offset this physically and mentally demanding time of year...

DrorBenAmi
DrorBenAmi

While I am not sure when Jesus was born (the Jewish holy day of Shavout seems the most logical to me) I am absolutely sure that Jesus was not a carpenter. What it says in Hebrew is that Jesus was a plowman, not a carpenter. So, for example, in messianic times we shall beat our swords into plowshares, not saws. In fact, last year I offered a 100,000 dollar prize to anyone who could give 5 reasons why the two references in the gospels describing Jesus as a carpenter are correct. I gave ten reasons why these two references are mistranslations and Jesus was indeed a plowman.

Not one single person responded to the challenge....

eyeseethruyou
eyeseethruyou

Why doesnt the pope just ask the god for the truth? And lets hope the pope shares everything. Or we can all just forget all this charade about these fantasy book characters ever existing.

ansonlau912
ansonlau912

Actually no matter which day Jesus were born, Jesus is Jesus. He is the spirit of the chirists . The birthday make less sense in my mind. Nobody will doubt his position even he wasn't born on 25th December . So Pope's research will impress by the working attitude of himself.

rogerwabbit
rogerwabbit

This ranks right up there with "Were Mickey and Minnie doing it?"

PlumbLine
PlumbLine

2 Peter 3:13Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

stowevt024
stowevt024

All this fuss about a supposed prophet's birthday based on some book that is filled with nothing but myths and fairy tales that are so fabricated that a child can see through them is amazing. The Vatican and the Catholic Church harbor and protect pedophiles. It’s about time the Catholic Church and ALL their property, money and anything worthy of value were liquidated and all the proceeds used to feed the hungry in this world. When are people going to grow up and stop believing in an invisible man up in space who allegedly dispenses justice to mankind.

sverry7
sverry7

On virgin birth: Mary as embodiment of the Church (Holy Mother Church) gives birth, through the action of the Holy Spirit, to all Christians. This of course is a spiritual procees that in time and with effort yields a mature and rounded pearl of great price as it were, within the bossom of Christ's followers. It follows then that her own virgin birth throws a spotlight on this process. On a more prosaic level, years of arduous study gives birth to physicists, lawyers, doctors, and so on. This is real and verifiable change in what constitues an individual human being. Even reading an article that implants a new and marvelous idea within the mind is a small example of a much broader spiritual principle.       

FrankLangholf
FrankLangholf

I do not know who thinks this is some how NEW NEWS.  Anyone- conservative or progressive- who has ever had a college level introduction to the New Testament knows about the problem with dating.  It is based on when Herod the Great died which is documented.  As far as Dec. 25 likewise.... yawn.... nothing new nor even close to controversial here.  This is "yawn" article for anyone who actually knows this material. 

ApLink
ApLink

If God does not exist, where do we come from? And if we evolve from apes, then why aren't the apes still evolving? And if aliens brought us here, how were the aliens created? At the end there's a creator and our creator is God

Andy1000
Andy1000

@RichardWill

"...because evidence would need to exist for god or jesus(sic) and neither has any evidence at all."


Yeah, I'm pretty sure you don't know what the word "evidence" means.  Of course, you could argue there is less evidence to support the efficacy of logic or Socrates existence, but that is a different matter.


"It is impossible for a god to exist in our universe because god would violate the natural laws and so far we have found nothing that supports any possibility that those laws can be violated."

This is the most jumbled logic I've ever heard.  Couldn't it just as easily been said in 1750 that "we know x-rays don't exist because we've never found anything to support the possibility they exist"?  Also, would God violate the natural laws any more than the existence of a mayor would violate a zoning ordinance?  Finally, our knowledge of the "natural laws" are changing daily, so when something is found that doesn't comport with them, we simply alter our understanding of those laws.


"The earth revolves around the SUN (sic), the SUN(sic) is always still because we revolve around it but this little god thought the other way around...LOL @ god & it’s (sic) little believers."


The sun is always still?  LOL!  What other fairy tales have you bought into?  http://www.universetoday.com/60174/does-the-sun-move/


"Galileo Galilei, was jailed BY CHRISTIANS for showing the earth revolves around the sun and that other planets had moons that revolved around those planets."

Well, house arrest.  He didn't "show" anything.  In fact his supporting evidence was quite weak or completely speculative.  He stated the planets had circular orbits and that the tides were caused by these orbits, both of which have been shown to be incorrect.  He thought the sun was the center of the universe.  He proposed unobserved stellar parallax to support his argument and publicly called a sovereign monarch a simpleton, an offense that could have gotten him executed in many other countries at the time.


"... they taught the world was flat with this kind of garbage."

Met-a-phor  - A figure of speech in which a word or phrase that ordinarily designates one thing is used to designate another, thus making an implicit comparison, as in "a sea of troubles"  Please don't ever attempt to read Shakespeare, it will blow your mind.

I first thought the good folks at The Onion wrote your reply, but I think the was a serious attempt at a rebuttal.  

Evenstar
Evenstar

@AuliaIdris 

Yeh..Quran tells alot abput Jesus more than Mohammad. But Jesus in the Quran isn't the same Jesus as in the Bible. Since the mother are differents. In Quran, It's said: Jesus Mother is Maryam, sister of Aaron. While Aaron lived during Moses time (BC). But at that time Aaron had a sister named Miryam. 

So I wonder, who is Jesus in the Quran?

albertbrian
albertbrian

that is not realy true.. The name of the true God is Jehovah.. The translation of YHWH is Jehova..
if Jesus and Jehovah is one.. why did Jesus say in Marcus 12:29 says that "listen Israel, Jehovah OUR God is the only one Jehova.."

RichardWill
RichardWill

@JNelly god has no word because god does not exist, you may think about a college education preferably not a religious college where the degree's area  Joke to the rest of us

Andy1000
Andy1000

@JNelly  I have to disagree with you on Ishtar.  Ishtar wasn't a day, but a pagan goddess.  Also, Christians do celebrate passover.  What the English/Germans call Easter comes from the Latin Pascha or Hebrew Pesach, which means Passover.  Whereas Jews celebrate their redemption from the bondage of slavery of the Egyptians, the Christians celebrate their redemption from the bondage of slavery of sin.

Evenstar
Evenstar

@IbrahimSuprapto 


Why don't you read Bible instead? 99% of the prophets in Quran are Jews and adopt Jesus as Isa while it's actually is not the same person.

If Quran is a book of life, why they teach slaughtering, killing and making enemies to all other religions? 

If Quran is the word of God, So to who your God is praising in Surah Al Fatihah? And Why your God still asking to show the straight way? And to who your God is asking?

Quran was made and wrote by Mohammad.

jr9del
jr9del

@CrimsonJebakumar

Out of wedlock children are likely to be the only logical consistency that can come from concept of a virgin birth so that no child need share in the "original" sin of the parents, to be ostracized, robbed of their dignity, nor promise in life. It is that view that makes other Biblical passages make sense among the judgements of humans, but this has not been the favored, nor morally sanctioned view, sadly - for 2,000 years.

CrimsonJebakumar
CrimsonJebakumar

@RandyDowdy  John 20:29.  You will be blessed more if you still believe without experiencing miracle.   Magicians can work out miracles but that's not the way the Lord wants Him to be believed.  "If you believe you will see the glory of God"  John 11:40.  

Randy
Randy

@RovicBalunsay 

The preaching authority of Mr. Eliseo Soriano distinguishes no different from the pretensions of all self-made preachers of today claiming that the Lord appeared and spoke to them personally and entrusted to them the work of salvation. If all such claims were true and authentic… why is it then that their doctrines completely differ from one another? Appropriateness of times attested to King Herod orders to conduct national census about population during summer and that was the reason why the couple of Mary and Joseph made their way to Jerusalem to register. And not during the harsh winter of December.

melbee
melbee

@Glades2 "God permitted the error"  Gosh, how nice of him.

theladyleo13
theladyleo13

well from your writting I can see you don't believe in God or you would carefully look before you open your mouth and say there is no God. read the book of acts and see where paul was blinded byh the light and was asked by a voice " Saul Saul why are you persecting me?" paul answered " who are u Lord?" and the voice answered I am Jesus who you are persecuting?" Paul went on to b e a great evanglist for spreading the word of God

sverry7
sverry7

P.S. Apologies for the spelling errors! There should be an edit feature added here.  

DickyMhd
DickyMhd

@Andy1000 @JNelly It was all based on the acclamations from Alexander the great and Apostle Paul,

They both are Hellenic Pagans and more over Paul was Faithful Jewish believer...


The meeting of the mass priest and monk even though 80% disagree of trinity and (father and son relations) they were declined, by the King Alexander and Paul. so today the bible consist of 60-80% Paul words in new testament (which paul never knew or even meet with jesus.

DickyMhd
DickyMhd

@Andy1000 @JNelly trinity is a Sun GOD system of helenic believec, father and son is YHWH, Yahwe hebrew religions system.


so the idea of monotheism being disputed and declined. even by the less of the majority to ensure Romans Claim and control at that time/ also goes for the 25 december (Sun God birthday.


so either the conclusion was to be more received/ tolerance by pagans or not a false and make-up of religions is not right