Pope Benedict Disputes Jesus’ Date of Birth

With the release of his new book, Pope Benedict XVI asks how much we really know about the birth of Christ

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Pope Benedict XVI holds a copy of his book "Jesus' Childhood" as he meets RCS publisher Paolo Mieli and Cardinal Gianfranco Ravasi, president of the Pontifical Council for Culture, in the Vatican on Nov. 20, 2012

Pope Benedict XVI has revealed in the third installment of his trilogy, dedicated to the life of Christ, that Jesus may have been born earlier than previously thought. The calendar we use today, which commences with the birth of Christ and was created by a Dionysius Exiguus, a 6th century monk, may be mistaken. According to the Telegraph, the Pope explains in his book that Exiguus, who is considered the inventor of the Christian calendar, “made a mistake in his calculations by several years. The actual date of Jesus’ birth was several years before.” The suggestion that Jesus wasn’t actually born on Dec. 25 has been tirelessly debated by theologians, historians and spiritual leaders, but what makes this case different is that now the leader of the Catholic Church is the one asking the questions.

Pope Benedict’s book, Jesus of Nazareth: The Infancy Narratives, was published on Tuesday. Like the previous two installments, it’s predicted to be a best seller, and a million copies of the book have already been printed. It is expected that the book will be translated into another 20 languages for publication in 72 countries. The Infancy Narratives follows the life of Jesus from conception to his presentation in the temple at the age of 12. The Pope describes this third book as a “small antechamber” to the trilogy on Jesus of Nazareth, reports the Vatican Press Office.

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Pope Benedict makes some controversial statements in the book. He writes of how the Gospel of Matthew claims that Jesus was born when Herod the Great ruled in Judea. However, given that Herod died in 4 B.C., Jesus must have been born earlier than Exiguus originally documented. Arguments surrounding Jesus’ exact date of birth have confounded scholars for centuries. Even the Gospel of Luke contends that the birth took place when Quirinius was governor of Syria in A.D. 6.

The author takes the opportunity not only to dispute the date of Jesus’ birth, but also to reaffirm the doctrine of the virgin birth as an “unequivocal” truth of faith. Reuters writes that Benedict reminds his readers that sexual intercourse did not play a part in the conception of Jesus. He states that a belief in the virgin birth of Christ is a “cornerstone of faith” and a sign of “God’s creative power.” “If God does not also have power over matter, then he simply is not God,” the Pope argues. “But he does have this power, and through the conception and resurrection of Jesus Christ he has ushered in a new creation.”

Pope Benedict also examines the “question of interpreted history,” referring in particular to the attempts of the Gospels, like those of Matthew and Luke, to make sense of events after they had occurred, notes Reuters. “The aim of the evangelists was not to produce an exhaustive account,” the Pope explains, “but a record of what seemed important for the nascent faith community in the light of the word. The infancy narratives are interpreted history, condensed and written down in accordance with the interpretation.”

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There have been countless interpretations of the birth, life and death of Christ throughout history. One such interpreter is Bill Darlison, former Unitarian Church minister and current vice president of the General Assembly of Unitarian and Free Christian Churches in the United Kingdom. Like others before him, he asks whether Christ was actually born on Dec. 25 or whether perhaps he was born “on one of about 150 other dates which have been proposed down through the centuries. Was he born in Nazareth or in Bethlehem and, if Bethlehem, was it Bethlehem in Judea or Bethlehem in Galilee?” He also argues that the spiritual birth “is always a virgin birth, because it is not related in any sense (except symbolically) to physical birth.” In 2004, TIME asked the same question, with David Van Biema wondering if “one might be tempted to abandon the whole Nativity story as ‘unhistoric,’ mere theological backing and filling.”

The historical revisionism continues with the Pope raising the issue of the presence of animals at the birth of Christ. He reveals in Jesus of Nazareth that “there is no mention of animals in the Gospels.” This may come as a shock to the thousands of schools currently preparing their Nativity plays. But Pope Benedict reassures his readers not to worry — that “no one will give up the oxen and the donkey in their Nativity scenes,” notes the Telegraph. Even if animals did not feature at the birth, the Vatican seems happy to keep up the myth as it presents an elaborate life-size Nativity scene in St. Peter’s Square this Christmas.

Jesus of Nazareth: The Infancy Narratives is available in English and published by Image Books. It follows the first two books, which dealt with Christ’s adult life and death.

This article has been amended. The original version referred to the conception of Jesus as “the Immaculate Conception.” The term refers to the life of Mary, mother of Jesus.

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BradWatson,Miami
BradWatson,Miami

John the Baptist was born on November 12, 7 BC / 12.11.747 AUC / 20 Heshvan 3755 HC (Matthew 11:12). Jesus son of Joseph was born on Sat April 17, 6 BC / 17.4.748 AUC / 29 Nisan 3755 HC (Matthew 4:17). Jesus was an Aries the Ram/Lamb.

God-incarnate was lashed 39 times and crucified on Friday April 7, 30 AD / 7.4.783 AUC / 14 Nisan 3790 HC again under the sign of Aries the Ram/Lamb and the Messiah was the "Lamb of GOD".

See how Y'shua's correct birthdate is a BIG example of GOD=7_4 Theory at http://GOD704.wikia.com .

rschiwal
rschiwal

There really is nothing new in this story.

Jesus was born during lambing season, late winter or early spring. If I were a betting man, I would say March 18th just to nail down a date.

The shepherds were in the field with their sheep.  They kept guard over the sheep all day and all night during this time.  If the sheep were kept in the pens and barns lambs would get trampled.

Lambing season would not only put the shepherds in the field, It would also empty out the stables where Jesus was born.

Also, stables with clean hay and no bedbugs were probably far cleaner and safer and more private than any inn at the time.

A good question is, why didn't they stay with family? Maybe they needed privacy.  Mary was pregnant before marriage at a time this could have gotten her stoned to death. They had left Nazareth and spent the last several months with Mary's cousin, Elizabeth. I wonder if they did this, in part, to avoid the scandal when she showed far too soon.

BradWatson,Miami
BradWatson,Miami

@rschiwal: Wrong. A pope admitting that the Roman Calendar is wrong is certainly something new!

Correct. Jesus son of Joseph was born in the spring: Saturday 4/17/6 BC. Y'shua was an Aries the Ram/Lamb. You remember his birthdate by July 4, 1776 - you just double the 7. Our Founding Fathers who were Grand Master Freemasons (Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, John Hancock) encoded GOD=7_4, 7/4=July 4th or 7 April 30 AD: Good Friday and Jesus' birthdate of 4/17/6 BC. Franklin 'coincidentally' died on 4/17/1790, Washington died on 12/14/1799, and John Adams & Thomas Jefferson both died on 7/4/1826: the 50th Anniversary of American Independence.

2Timothy3:16
2Timothy3:16

Good morning TrewSterling.


I have been reading your comments concerning the topic of Christmas, and I did not see any positive or negative points concerning that topic.


The comments that you posted were personal attacks against individual's who gave their feelings about the topic, whether their feelings were right or wrong.


In your comment to my post, you said that I am "retardrd" and that I have "down syndrome". That's OK. You have the right to post your opinions. Here is the thing...If I were to make comments about a person's gender preference, race, religious belief, OR personal attack's aganist them, especially when I did not know them, that would be a mean thing to do whether it would be a " lot of fun" or not.


Whoever reads the comments (especially your comments) posted concerning the topic of Christmas, will realize for themselves who falls into the category of the very things you posted. And to my understanding, the things you posted cannot be deleted.


I hope you can feel good about yourself after you posted your opinions. Sometimes, for an individual to feel better about themselves, they must tear down others in order to elevate their own self esteem.

TrewSterling
TrewSterling

This was a lot of fun.... It wasn't meant to be mean.... But this page was all about 'Jesus' and I had to defame that fraud.... Nothing was ment to Be malicious... Only to make you all realize that you're really really really stupid... But I still have an open mind to your stupidity in the belife of an imaginary sentient god that rules over all.:::

JustinSaladiner
JustinSaladiner

@TrewSterling Well so glad to see that your small mind that cant think there is anything larger than it can do little more than take this insight of wisdom as stupidity.  But its not like you can control that when you try to make a point that lacks depth you can always back it up with insult. Its ok God Loves you even though you are to small to understand his greatness. 

ErikDelgadillo
ErikDelgadillo

@TrewSterling your very statement is full of contradictions you ass wipe don't try to say nothing you said was meant to be malicious when most of your replies to people as well as your statements were directed at  a group to degrade them.

BradWatson,Miami
BradWatson,Miami

@TrewSterling,

You've rudely judged all those that correctly believe in GOD and Jesus son of Joseph being God-incarnate, therefore...

By the power(77) vested in me by GOD as His/Her Christ(77=C3+H8+R18+I9+S19+T20), I hereby rule that 1/7/16 is your Judgment Day: you FAIL.

Sentence: Really bad luck for the rest of your life, then your eternal soul will not be reincarnated as human for 1,000 years just for your sins here (you have many more). When you are born-again as human, it will be under really hellish circumstances.

Note: You can repent, publically apologize, do many hours of verifiable community service, and petition this court(77) for a retrial. GOD & the Christ are just & forgiving. However, 74 years of your reincarnation sentence is non-commutable and any contempt-of-court will result in an increased sentence.

You are now part of a scientific experiment to last 1,000+ years.


- Brad(25) Watson(77), Miami

GOD's Judge of All(25) Humanity


c.c. http://7seals.yuku.com

TrewSterling
TrewSterling

Never get your hair done again.... Never get your nails done again, never but perfume , never go out to eat, never buy any feminim product ever! Because gay men are the masterminds behind them all!!!!

TrewSterling
TrewSterling

And then all us gays will rule the world!!!!!! HHahhaha

TrewSterling
TrewSterling

But it's fine.... You're all going to die😓!!!!!

TrewSterling
TrewSterling

I hope you all know that you're f*+^++ stupid

TrewSterling
TrewSterling

Jesus wants all you good semartitans to fail and DIE

TrewSterling
TrewSterling

Don't support anything good for this econemy

TrewSterling
TrewSterling

Stone all the women on their periods!!!!!! Infidels!!!!!

TrewSterling
TrewSterling

Awe it's so sad that you believe in fairly tales!!!! I love unicorns!!!!!

Chisholm
Chisholm

100 000 years ago Original beings from the Dreaming will teach you if you're willing to go there ;)

2Timothy3:16
2Timothy3:16

I posted this information in December 2014 concerning the birth of Jesus. It is a simple math problem that a child could understand!


Many are thinking about Jesus this time of year. God's Word, the Bible says that Jesus was thirty (30) years old when he was baptized in the Jordan River by John the Baptizer and at that time, he began his ministry. (Luke 3:21-23). His ministry lasted three and one-half (3 1/2) years long which was prophesied in the Bible book of Daniel 9:24-27.


According to the Bible, Jesus was put to death on Passover which always falls on Nisan 14 (First month of the Hebrew calendar, sometimes called Abib) and that date corresponds with a date that falls in late March OR early April according to our modern calendar. Also, He was thirty-three and one-half (33 1/2) years old when he was put to death. If you count back the 1/2 year (6 months), it would take you to a date in late September OR early October in which his birth would take place. You see, simple math.


Why was December 25, which is two and one-half (2 1/2) to three (3) months later than when he was born, be selected as the day to celebrate his birth?


Check out the encyclopedia concerning a pagan celebration called the Saturnalia that occurred during late December. While you are looking up pagan celebrations, check out Eastre, Ishtar, Astarte, and Easter. It's something to think about

EdwinHolton
EdwinHolton

Ok. Thanks for the info. Anyone willing to research history already knows this material but I'm glad you pointed it out.

TrewSterling
TrewSterling

I love that you make it as simple as math..... You're so retarted.... 🤗.... Did you're parents know you had Down syndrome 😍.... You're so special.... I believe in leprechauns too babe! 😓

GailGetler
GailGetler

The Pope was on the correct track with the birth date of Jesus.The calendar timeline was adjusted many times during that period and we concur the date of Jesus birth was most likely sometime in the month of  March around the middle date.

TrewSterling
TrewSterling

Yeah except he stole it from the pagens 2000 years ago fool

TrewSterling
TrewSterling

The carholic church is a joke and likes to rape little boys... They don't have much pull

ApLink
ApLink

If you don't believe, then why are you even reading this or searching about this? Are you having second thoughts? I feel sorry for those that do not believe that there's a creator, our God.

RichardWill
RichardWill

Debating this is like debating Gods Existence which can't be debated because evidence would need to exist for god or jesus and neither has any evidence at all. 


If you push the pope out of a plan flying at 18000 ft and have the whole world pray for his safe landing then he would of course splat.



It is impossible for a god to exist in our universe because god would violate the natural laws and so far we have found nothing that supports any possibility that those laws can be violated. 



The bible is full of Lies just look at some of these;


Genesis 2:5-25 : You can eat from any tree in the garden, except from the Tree-of-Knowledge....The Religious Mind has been ordered not to eat from the tree of knowledge! These intellectually inferior minds are forced to reason by analogy, classifying phenomenon according to superficial observations.


Joshua 10:12-13


Then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, "Sun, stand thou still at Gibeon, and thou Moon in the valley of Aijalon." And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.


Science-- The earth revolves around the SUN, the SUN is always still because we revolve around it but this little god thought the other way around...LOL @ god & it’s little believers.


Habakkuk 3:11


The sun and moon stood still in their habitation at the light of thine arrows as they sped, at the flash of thy glittering spear.


Science--The evidence in support of a geocentric model is overwhelming here. Joshua commanded the sun to stand still. He did not order the earth to cease rotating nor did he qualify his statement with the divine knowledge that the sun was merely made to appear stationary. The sun was commanded to stand still because it is the sun that moves. Descriptions of its motion can be rather poetic.



Galileo Galilei, was jailed BY CHRISTIANS for showing the earth revolves around the sun and that other planets had moons that revolved around those planets. The bible taught the church who in turn taught christians that everything must revolve around the earth and that the world was flat because of the following statements.


This idiot GOD clearly did not know how the universe works or how the earth was actually created. This is clear in the word of god known as the bible where this moron god states the following;


Remember that PRIOR TO Aristotle (384 BC – 322 BC), when the pages of the bible were just little stories written down and passed around from uneducated camel herder to to camel herder they taught the world was flat with this kind of garbage.


Chronicles 16:30: -- He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.


Psalm 93:1: -- Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm


Psalm 96:10:  -- Thou has fixed the earth firm, immovable


Psalm 104:5: -- Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.


Isaiah 45:18: -- who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast


Samuel 2:8, 10 -- The foundations of the earth are the LORD's; upon them he has set the world...the LORD will judge the ends of the earth.


Science -- earth's rotation is 1000+ miles per hour and is rotating around the sun at just over 67,000 miles per hour. Approximately


Science -- earth quakes the earth can be shaken!! the earth is not fixed and not immovable!!!! ;-)


Right here some christians try to say that earth is not flat but a circle, however every idiot knows, including god, that a CIRCLE is flat and they had games at this time that involved balls. If the bible is the word of god then you would think god would be intelligent enough to express this in the bible but god does not, little god doesn’t even know the shape of his own creation...LOL


Isaiah 11:12  -- He sits enthroned above the CIRCLE of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers.


He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in


Isiah 40:22 It is He who sits above the CIRCLE of the earth


Science -- a circle is flat of course and the context of canopy and tent only reinforce the fact that the idiots believe the world to be flat.


Isaiah 11:12 -- FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH.


Revelation 7:1 -- angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH (KJV)


Science -- must be a rectangle or square to have four corners i.e. Flat Earth


Job 38:13 -- ENDS OF THE EARTH


Jeremiah 16:19 -- ENDS OF THE EARTH


Daniel 4:11 -- ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH:


Science -- the earth is implied to be flat i.e. it had ends but sphere can have no ends

Andy1000
Andy1000

@RichardWill

"...because evidence would need to exist for god or jesus(sic) and neither has any evidence at all."


Yeah, I'm pretty sure you don't know what the word "evidence" means.  Of course, you could argue there is less evidence to support the efficacy of logic or Socrates existence, but that is a different matter.


"It is impossible for a god to exist in our universe because god would violate the natural laws and so far we have found nothing that supports any possibility that those laws can be violated."

This is the most jumbled logic I've ever heard.  Couldn't it just as easily been said in 1750 that "we know x-rays don't exist because we've never found anything to support the possibility they exist"?  Also, would God violate the natural laws any more than the existence of a mayor would violate a zoning ordinance?  Finally, our knowledge of the "natural laws" are changing daily, so when something is found that doesn't comport with them, we simply alter our understanding of those laws.


"The earth revolves around the SUN (sic), the SUN(sic) is always still because we revolve around it but this little god thought the other way around...LOL @ god & it’s (sic) little believers."


The sun is always still?  LOL!  What other fairy tales have you bought into?  http://www.universetoday.com/60174/does-the-sun-move/


"Galileo Galilei, was jailed BY CHRISTIANS for showing the earth revolves around the sun and that other planets had moons that revolved around those planets."

Well, house arrest.  He didn't "show" anything.  In fact his supporting evidence was quite weak or completely speculative.  He stated the planets had circular orbits and that the tides were caused by these orbits, both of which have been shown to be incorrect.  He thought the sun was the center of the universe.  He proposed unobserved stellar parallax to support his argument and publicly called a sovereign monarch a simpleton, an offense that could have gotten him executed in many other countries at the time.


"... they taught the world was flat with this kind of garbage."

Met-a-phor  - A figure of speech in which a word or phrase that ordinarily designates one thing is used to designate another, thus making an implicit comparison, as in "a sea of troubles"  Please don't ever attempt to read Shakespeare, it will blow your mind.

I first thought the good folks at The Onion wrote your reply, but I think the was a serious attempt at a rebuttal.  

BritanyProctor
BritanyProctor

@ApLink ............Please learn about what evolution really is then maybe you'll get it. Evolution is a fact. At the end people use religion to justify their bigoted opinions and deny the fact that you only have one life, at the end of it you die, and there's no "better place."

TrewSterling
TrewSterling

And you stone all females going through their period right! I hate all those hoes bleeding everywhere! My stupid wife try's to be around and I tell her 'hey! Bloody vag! Hide yourself from humanity!!!!!!!

ApLink
ApLink

If God does not exist, where do we come from? And if we evolve from apes, then why aren't the apes still evolving? And if aliens brought us here, how were the aliens created? At the end there's a creator and our creator is God

AndrePadilla
AndrePadilla

God did not create the earth or universe or anything its a belif and possible in a separate universe Also Jesus Christ is real he just died long ago

AuliaIdris
AuliaIdris

The Qur'an tells a lot about Jesus .. may add your information and knowledge.

Evenstar
Evenstar

@AuliaIdris 

Yeh..Quran tells alot abput Jesus more than Mohammad. But Jesus in the Quran isn't the same Jesus as in the Bible. Since the mother are differents. In Quran, It's said: Jesus Mother is Maryam, sister of Aaron. While Aaron lived during Moses time (BC). But at that time Aaron had a sister named Miryam. 

So I wonder, who is Jesus in the Quran?

Sama
Sama

@Evenstar Jesus in Quran is the same Jesus as  in the Bible . And Aaron who was mentioned was not that Aaron who  lived during Moses but was  another one.

albertbrian
albertbrian

When Was Jesus Born?

The Bible’s answer

The Bible does not give a specific date for the birth of Jesus Christ, as these reference works show:

  • “The true birth date of Christ is unknown.”—New Catholic Encyclopedia.

  • “The exact date of Christ’s birth is not known.”—Encyclopedia of Early Christianity.

While the Bible does not directly answer the question, ‘When was Jesus born?’ it does describe two events surrounding his birth that lead many to conclude that he was not born on December 25.

Not in winter
  1. The registration. Shortly before Jesus was born, Caesar Augustus issued a decree ordering “all the inhabited earth to be registered.” Everyone had to register in “his own city,” which might have required a journey of a week or more. (Luke 2:1-3) That order—probably made to support taxation and military conscription—would have been unpopular at any time of year, but it is unlikely that Augustus would have provoked his subjects further by forcing many of them to make long trips during the cold winter.

  2. The sheep. Shepherds were “living out of doors and keeping watches in the night over their flocks.” (Luke 2:8) The book Daily Life in the Time of Jesus notes that flocks lived in the open air from “the week before the Passover [late March]” through mid-November. It then adds: “They passed the winter under cover; and from this alone it may be seen that the traditional date for Christmas, in the winter, is unlikely to be right, since the Gospel says that the shepherds were in the fields.”

In early fall

We can estimate when Jesus was born by counting backward from his death on Passover, Nisan 14 in the spring of the year 33 C.E. (John 19:14-16) Jesus was about 30 years old when he began his three-and-a-half-year ministry, so he was born in the early fall of 2 B.C.E.—Luke 3:23.

Why is Christmas on December 25?

Since there is no evidence that the birth of Jesus Christ occurred on December 25, why is Christmas celebrated on this date? The Encyclopædia Britannica says that church leaders probably chose it “to coincide with the pagan Roman festival marking the ‘birthday of the unconquered sun,’” at the time of the winter solstice. According to The Encyclopedia Americana, many scholars believe that this was done “in order to make Christianity more meaningful to pagan converts.”

mendezm746
mendezm746

CHRIST:Gen 49:24 ..The Mighty God of Jacob,(from thence is the Shepherd,the Stone of Israel/Isaiah 8:13-14:);Jn 1:1-18 In the beginning was the Word[Isa 48:16],and the Word was with God[Ps 2;Pro 30:4/Rev 14:1],and the Word was God[Jn 20:28-29;Titus 2:13-14;1st Tim 6:14-16;1st Jn 5:20-21;Rev 1:7-8,17-18].He was in the beginning with God[Pro 8:22-31/Rev 3:14].All things were made by Him;and without Him was not anything made that was made[Col 1:12-22;Heb 1:1-12]. The First Christmas:CHRIST was sent into the world[Isa 48:16;Jn 3:16-17;1st Tim 3:16];The Star of Bethlehem [Micah 5:2;YHWH/JESUS,Num 24:16-17/Rev 5;22:16];Shepherds and kings[Ps 72;Isa 60:1-9].The Shepherds were nomads (from the tribe of Ismael's sons)in the border deserts of Israel and the kings were from Southern Spain,Ethopia, Yemen,and India.CHRIST was named JESUS/YHWH[Matt 1:18-25;2:1-18;Luke 1:26-37;2:1-21].Jn 5:43/10:25 I AM come in My Father's Name...Hebrews 1:1-12 ...v4 ..as He hath by Inheritance Obtained a more Excellent Name ..[Emmanuel Isa 7:14;8:8-14;9:6-7 ...and His Name shall be called Wonderful,Counsellor,The Mighty God,The Eternal Father,The Prince of Peace./Phil 2:5-11].Jn 10:30 I and My Father are One[Isa 48:16;Matt 28:18-20;Zech 14:9/Hebrews 13:8 JESUS CHRIST the same Yesterday,and Today,and For Ever].CHRIST was born on October 10,'Tishri" the seventh month of Jewish Religious Calendar,Feast of Tabernacles.After Elul,means Harvest and Harvest Moon is a Full Moon closest to Autumn Equinox(late summer,early fall September 22/23).He was baptized at the age of 30, was crucified and died in the flesh on Friday of April 6 at age 33.5 and His ministry lasted 3.5 years. INRI, Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum [John 19:19-24/Heb 12:2;Job 1:21 ..Naked came I out of my mother's womb,and naked shall I return thither:the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away;blessed be the Name of the LORD]. KJV

albertbrian
albertbrian

that is not realy true.. The name of the true God is Jehovah.. The translation of YHWH is Jehova..
if Jesus and Jehovah is one.. why did Jesus say in Marcus 12:29 says that "listen Israel, Jehovah OUR God is the only one Jehova.."

MarianoMendez1
MarianoMendez1

@albertbrian YHWH is  I A O U E : YaHWeH [The Coded Name of God inThe Old Testament]  and JESUS from YESHUA from YaHusWaH means IAOUE saves/ YHWH Saves/YHWH the Saviour/YHWH the CHRIST(Rev 5:1-14/1st Jn 2:22-24;4:1-11;2nd Jn 7-11) [The Revealed Holy Name of God in.The New Testament]:The First, and with The Last [Isaiah 41:4;44:6/Revelation 1:7-8,11,17-18;2:8;21:6;22:13-16]. The Triune God Almighty [Isaiah 48:16/Matthew 3:16-17;28:28:18-20;1st Cor 13:14;1st Peter 1:2] are One [Zechariah 14:9;John 1:1-3;10:30;14:6-23;20:26-29] : One Spirit [John 3:6;4:24/2nd Cor 3:17];One Composite Whole [1st Cor 8:6/11:3;12:4-6;15:20-28];One True God [Jeremiah 10:10/John 17:1-5;1st John 3:8;5:20]. ...One Body ...One Spirit ...One Lord ...One God [Ephesians 4:4-6]. ....John 10:30  I and My Father are One ...Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto Me,Hear ye this,I have not spoken in secret from the beginning:from the time it was;there AM I [Proverbs 8:22-31;30:4/Luke 11:49;1st Cor 1:24;10:4;Col 1:12-22;Rev 3:14]: and now the Lord GOD[Genesis 1:1-2;49:24;isaiah 8:13-14] and His Spirit [Job 33:4;Acts 5:3-4,9] hath sent Me [Amos 4:12;John 3:16-18;1st Tim 3:16;1st John 3:8;5:20]. .....Zechariah 14:9 And the LORD shall be King [1st Timothy 6:14-16/Deuteronomy10:17;Daniel 2:47;Rev 17:14;19:16] over all the earth: In that day shall there be One LORD and His Name One [Titus 2:13-14;Hebrews 1:1-12;13:8]. ...Mark 12:29/Deuteronomy 6:4-5 ...Hear, O Israel,the LORD our God is one Lord*. ....Jesus Christ is Lord and God [John 20:26-29] , ...1st Corinthians 8:6  ..one God,the Father,...;and one Lord* Jesus Christ ../1st Corinthians 11:3 ....The head of every man is Christ,and the head of the woman is the man;and the head of Christ is God.

JNelly
JNelly

Easter is in fact, Ishtar.  It was a very Pagan holy day having to do with Spring and reproduction.  Passover was also celebrated at this time....and should be noted that Jesus celebrated Passover as well as the other true Holy Days that God ordained, and yet continue to go unrecognized by the church in favor of Pagan 'holy days' (which God warned His people AGAINST celebrating).  When the old Eath has passed away and God sets up His kingdom, His people will again celebrate the Holy Days (yes, the ones that we don't really know about or celebrate in the church)....so why are they forgotten?  Could this not be why America is so morally broken?  We say we believe in God, and yet we don't know WHO He is anymore.  We honor traditions over His word. 

Andy1000
Andy1000

@JNelly  I have to disagree with you on Ishtar.  Ishtar wasn't a day, but a pagan goddess.  Also, Christians do celebrate passover.  What the English/Germans call Easter comes from the Latin Pascha or Hebrew Pesach, which means Passover.  Whereas Jews celebrate their redemption from the bondage of slavery of the Egyptians, the Christians celebrate their redemption from the bondage of slavery of sin.

DickyMhd
DickyMhd

@Andy1000 @JNelly It was all based on the acclamations from Alexander the great and Apostle Paul,

They both are Hellenic Pagans and more over Paul was Faithful Jewish believer...


The meeting of the mass priest and monk even though 80% disagree of trinity and (father and son relations) they were declined, by the King Alexander and Paul. so today the bible consist of 60-80% Paul words in new testament (which paul never knew or even meet with jesus.

DickyMhd
DickyMhd

@Andy1000 @JNelly trinity is a Sun GOD system of helenic believec, father and son is YHWH, Yahwe hebrew religions system.


so the idea of monotheism being disputed and declined. even by the less of the majority to ensure Romans Claim and control at that time/ also goes for the 25 december (Sun God birthday.


so either the conclusion was to be more received/ tolerance by pagans or not a false and make-up of religions is not right  

RichardWill
RichardWill

@JNelly god has no word because god does not exist, you may think about a college education preferably not a religious college where the degree's area  Joke to the rest of us