With Echoes of Trayvon Martin, Florida Man Claims Self Defense in Shooting Death of Teen

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Florida‘s judicial system is set to experience its second high profile case this year in which a person accused in a homicide may invoke the state’s controversial “Stand Your Ground” self-defense statute.

In an incident that took place Nov. 23,  Jacksonville sheriffs say Michael Dunn, a 45-year-old from Satellite Beach, Fla., pulled into a gas station parking lot where Jordan Davis, 17, and three friends were sitting in an SUV Friday evening. Dunn made a comment about the loud music blaring from the vehicle and told them to turn it down. An argument ensued between Dunn, who is white, and Davis, who is black, after which Dunn allegedly pulled out a gun and began firing into the vehicle. Davis was fatally wounded. “Nobody else in the vehicle was struck, just our victim,” said Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office Homicide Lt. Rob Schoonover at a press conference. “Which was lucky because the vehicle was shot, I believe, eight or nine times.”

Dunn was in the Jacksonville area to attend his son’s wedding. He was on the way back to his hotel when he pulled into the gas station and encountered Davis and his friends. His girlfriend was in the gas station’s convenience store during the shooting and the two jumped into his car and fled the scene afterward. Dunn did not realize he had hit any of the passengers, but upon seeing the news report of the shooting death at their hotel, they left for his residence in Brevard County, Schoonover said.

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Eyewitnesses gave police the car’s license plate number, which they used to track the suspect down and arrest him at his home the following morning. Schoonover said Dunn was reportedly in the process of turning himself in to a neighbor who works in law enforcement. He was taken into custody on charges of second degree murder, to which he pleaded not guilty in a Duval County court.

When police interviewed Dunn, he told them he felt threatened. Schoonover said it is unclear if he had a concealed weapons permit but said he has owned the gun for a long time and was a gun collector.  Dunn’s attorney Robin Lemonidis has said that his client was licensed to carry the gun. The other occupants of the SUV have reportedly admitted that their music was loud, but say there was no threat to Dunn.

Lemonidis told reporters that Dunn politely asked the teens to turn down their music and after that they exchanged words, then the threats came. “And that’s when the guy in the back seat raised the barrel of a shotgun over the rim of the window,” Lemonidis told Jacksonville television station WTEV. “That’s when he just snapped into self protection mode.”

Her client, she says, reached into his glove compartment for a firearm, loaded it and fired. She said he then left the scene of the shooting because he was scared the teens would call their friends to come after him. She said he chose to turn himself in to a trusted neighbor rather than do it in a strange city.

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Jacksonville sheriffs did not find any weapons or drugs in or near the vehicle. “We will have our day in court where the evidence will come out,” she said.

Dunn’s self defense claim may fall under Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” statute in which a person who feels that his or her life is being threatened is under no obligation to retreat. Davis’ death bears similarities to the case in which Miami teen Trayvon Martin, also 17, was shot to death by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman — and with similar racial overtones. Zimmerman, who faces second degree murder charges in the incident, also says he acted in self defense. Lemonidas, while steadfast in her assertions that her client was simply defending himself, has not yet said what her legal strategy will be.

After his arrest and extradition from Brevard County, Dunn remains held in the Duval County jail without bond. He is awaiting an arraignment hearing set for Dec. 19.

MORE: Zimmerman Defense Team to Seek ‘Stand Your Ground’ Hearing

42 comments
adderworks
adderworks

The man defended himself from thugs. It's that simple. The "victim" deserved it.

MarkHarrell
MarkHarrell

YO,l WHITE-HATERS !! Here be da LINKS unless you are too racist against whites or too ignorant, uneducated and illiterate to understand what is presented, 

SOURCE: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm   

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/

TELL ME THIS, WHITE-HATING RACISTS.

 You THINK you are defending blacks against the big bad racists?

FACT - Last year, BLACKS KILLED 4,000 BLACKS in the US.

FACT - IF BLACKS committed 12% of the murders in the US instead of 50%, THREE THOUSAND BLACK LIVES WOULD HAVE BEEN SAVED.

WHO APPARENTLY WANTS THOUSANDS OF BLACKS TO DIE NEEDLESSLY EVERY YEAR?

 Christina Bussman

Mary Johnson  (orgasms when blacks die)

theguildedsvribe  (fake Xtian who wants black violence to continue to wipe out generations of blacks)

catmandolin1  (hides behind psuedonym)

FELIXCASTRO (really likes it when blacks die)

imaskelly (closet BLACK-HATER)

IF these BIGOTS had their way, nobody would ever be allowed to post anything truthful about the BLACK VIOLENT CRIME EPIDEMIC.

The WORST THING ABOUT THESE RACISTS?  They think their brand of racism, the good old white-hatin kind is not only acceptable but laudable.  They are PROUD to spew out names like Dahmer, Gacy or Manson to both stereotype all whites but to justify all black violent crime

jalangaya
jalangaya

Michael Dunn should face no charges for his brave & decisive action in defending himself & his fiancee from loud, belligerent hoodlums.

ChristinaBussmann
ChristinaBussmann

Let's consider what we do know:

1.  He fired 8-9 into an occupied vehicle and left the scene.

2.  He did not report the shooting to local law enforcement, or contact EMS or medical authorities at any point after learning of the injuries he'd likely caused.

3.  He left the county where he'd attended his son's wedding only after learning of the teen's death.  What was he contemplating in the interim period?

4.  He did not turn himself into local authorities in his home town.  He was "about" to turn himself into a neighbor (according to him.)  Why did he not report the shoot as soon as he made it into his home town?

5. The vehicle occupied by the teen and his companions never left the scene of the shooting, nor did witnesses report any objects being removed from the car following the shooting.  Police arrived within minutes to find the dying teen.  No drugs or weapons were located n the teen's vehicle, on his person or on any of the passengers.

Remove the racial identifies of all the parties from consideration for a moment.  Given what we know of the shooter's conduct following the shooting, do you believe his story about a shotgun being pointed at him?  

No add race back into the equation.  Given that it was Black males in the vehicle and the assertion of "loud music," are you more or less likely to believe they had a weapon in the car?  What type of music did you assume the teens were listening to and about which the shooter claims he was complaining?

A picture is being formed by the shooter through is description of the events.  If you want to know where and how race plays into this situation, ask yourself why people are posting comments regarding the relative "criminal tendencies" of Whites vs. Blacks?  Ask yourself why Susan Smith was believed initially when her children were discovered missing?  Why did police kick in doors and actually arrest a suspect in the Stuart murder case in Boston?  Finally, ask yourself how a man could flee the scene of a shooting, not report his conduct or alleged threats made to him, leave the county and still have faith that others will believe his claim of "self-defense?"

It's not a simple as you think.

Fadelff
Fadelff

Fine...if it makes everyone feel better...they were all of one race...it is still a tragedy...a young man's life was taken because another man thought he was playing music too loud.  That is a country gone crazy with angry gun owners who think it's ok to shoot anyone who annoys them.  That is cold blooded murder.

FelixCastro
FelixCastro

If he had time to go to his vehicle, load the weapon, then fire, he also had time to leave. This is murder.

pendragon05
pendragon05

Here we go again with the race card!

theguildedscribe
theguildedscribe

Blacks this.  Whites that. Martians this.  Big foot that. WHEN WE ALL GET TO HEAVEN WHAT A DAY OF REJOICING THAT WILL BE!  I'm sorry your precious life ended so abruptly son.  Your were an innocent victim.  Rest in peace.

MarkHarrell
MarkHarrell

A FEW FACTS about the COLOR OF VIOLENT CRIME.  FOr starters, blacks and liberal whites, both of whom HATE WHITES, love to claim that violent crime has no color.  Yes, of course ALL RACES COMMIT VIOLENT CRIME.  Not even the grand wizard of the original KKK ever said that whites don't commit violent crimes too.  THE PROBLEM IS THE GROUP COMMITTING WAY TOO MUCH VIOLENT CRIME.  

FACT - BLACKS are less than 13% of the US population

FACTS - per the FBI/DOJ Uniform Crime Report and their report on HOmicide By Race, 

BLACKS COMMIT:

50% of all MURDERS

50% of CARJACKERS

60% of ARMED ROBBERIES

44% of SEX OFFENSES

41% of DOMESTIC VIOLENCE

35% of CHILD ABUSE, MOLESTATION and FILICIDE

IF race was not a factor in violent crime, THOSE NUMBERS WOULD BE 13%

\Oh, and that white serial killer MYTH?  SInce 1995 BLACKS have accounted for over 40% of serial killers actually outnumbering whites even though whites outnumber blacks SIX to ONE

MarkHarrell
MarkHarrell

NEVER is race mentioned in the COUNTLESS and far greater occurence of whites being violently victimized by BLACKS.  Of course the media and govt APPROVE of that kind if racist hatred as GOOD RACISM, the ANTI-WHITE kind. Think about how many times you have read or seen a story about some hard working night clerk or night manager at a carryout, fast food, gas station, robbed late at night.  They COOPERATE only to get the front or back of their head blown off by the animal robber. At least 90% of the time it is a WHITE VICTIM and BLACK attacker.  EVERY media organization goes out of their way to hide and downplay race in those instances even though it is clearly obvious that these black monsters not only target whites but have hatred and contempt for them first for working for a living and second, for displaying street weakness by cooperating so they can get home to their wife and kids

SirJimmyMac
SirJimmyMac

What 'racial overtones'? The dude who fired the gun did nothing to make me believe he wouldnt have done the same thing if it wad a bunch of white kids listening to death metal. QUIT FANNING THE FLAME OF RACISM!!

BobcatbobIngram
BobcatbobIngram

Not even close to being similiar in actions so please drop the 'race' card.

joey
joey

@adderworks To bad the POLICE said that there was NO gun . But I am glad you take the word of someone who discharges his gun in public an does not call the police. 

BobcatbobIngram
BobcatbobIngram

@MarkHarrell 

Hey Mark, I am going to copy your stats post because You listed the stats so conveniently and I will use it when stats are needed. Unless that is NOT ok.

ChristinaBussmann
ChristinaBussmann

@MarkHarrell Given that the shooter in this case is White, what relevance do these statistics have to this case?  I am not assuming your statistical quotes of the DOJ information is accurate.  I am asking what difference does any of this make given that the shooter is White and the young man who was killed is Black?

catmandolin1
catmandolin1

@MarkHarrell  Calm down, Sling Blade.

This foolish man could have easily minded his own business but he chose not to.  He brought the entire situation upon himself and it was completely unnecessary.  He sprayed bullets into an occupied vehicle and then ran away.  The next day he ran even further away.

Hopefully he can share a prison cell with George Zimmerman in the future.

maryjohnson321
maryjohnson321

@MarkHarrell  African Americans are given longer federal sentences than Whites who are sentenced for the same or equivalent crimes, even when factoring criminal records. African American jail sentences tend to be roughly 10% longer than white jail sentences for the same crimes.African-Americans are about 7 times more likely to have a prison record than whites.

maryjohnson321
maryjohnson321

@MarkHarrell African-Americans are about 7 times more likely to have a prison record than whites.  African Americans are given longer federal sentences than Whites who are sentenced for the same or equivalent crimes, even when factoring criminal records. African American jail sentences tend to be roughly 10% longer than white jail sentences for the same crimes.

ChristinaBussmann
ChristinaBussmann

@MarkHarrell Same question as before:  Assuming all you have stated is true, what factual difference does it make given that the undisputed evidence in this case is that the shooter is White and the young man killed is Black? You're making a relativism argument when the question is whether the shooter's claim that he was threatened is truthful.  What facts can you identify that suggests he is being truthful?

FelixCastro
FelixCastro

@SirJimmyMac ,

 You should watch some of the clips from the tv show "What Would You Do" on YouTube. It's amazing how white people are much more aggressive towards minorities and especially blacks. Off the top of my head I can recommend that you watch the one where the two groups of kids, one white, one black are pretending to vandalize a car at a park. Also, the ones with the same kids, but in this one the different kids are trying to unlock a bike, and the one where the kids are sleeping in a car in the park. I'm would bet that the shooter in this case wouldn't have said a thing to some white kids listening to their music loud in the parking lot. Anyway, watch those shows, it's really eye opening. I was surprised, I honestly thought that it would be the other way around on the show. It's also eye opening to see how people are so willing to assume the worst of the blacks and minorities while giving the white kids a pass.

irrenmann
irrenmann

@SirJimmyMac Good point. If it turns out it wasn't a clean shoot, then it wasn't a clean shoot, but that doesn't mean racism is a factor. If the press simply reads that into it, they should be aware they are doing harm.

WilliamBarnes
WilliamBarnes

@BobcatbobIngram Y'know what's sort of weird? Everybody wants (and shows it, big time!) to be outraged about the question, but nobody ever has risen above it to suggest solutions to it. Is it possible that as a species, we are just too primitive to move beyond violence, war and hunger?

iamskelly
iamskelly

@ChristinaBussmann @MarkHarrell 's use of statistics in this case would indicate that he is subliminally stating that it would be feasible for a black teenager to be shot on sight given the fact that they are statistically inclined to commit crimes. Most black men are dangerous criminals, have a threatening demeanor  and are downright scary to regular ole law abiding citizens. Right @MarkHarrell ?

BobcatbobIngram
BobcatbobIngram

@ChristinaBussmann @MarkHarrell Well the stats, of which seem accurate, indicate a certain propensity for the truck occupants to have a shotgun in the truck and to display that shotgun during a confrontation. 

 In my mind if the pistol shooter had time to load his weapon he should have had the time to     move away from the trouble.

 But then there is a million possible scenarios and the one that I protest is the 'news media's attempt to gain readership by phrasing the headlines to represent a ' White RACIST' because 'Racism' sells news. Remember the out and out lies told by NBC and supported by every other 'News" channel I saw. They All lied.... and several white folks were killed because of the hatred generated by the 'News". 

 I would hope G. Zimmerman sues them BIG TIME, so big is the judgement,  'News Shows' tremble at the thought of bankruptcy due to reverse discrimination and character slander.

 I am an Old white 99% er, American Veteran and thats the way I feel.

FelixCastro
FelixCastro

@ChristinaBussmann @MarkHarrell 

It has no relevance, it just makes him think that his racism is somehow reasonable. Deep down inside, he knows there's no excuse though and you can bet dollars to donuts that he's not a happy man.  People like him never are.

BobcatbobIngram
BobcatbobIngram

@catmandolin1 @MarkHarrell  

 Cat you are saying the truck occupants did nothing and were completely innocent ?? 

...That is very much like those folks who went on rampages shouting "Justice for Trayvon".and proclaiming a quick lynching for Zimm. What about justice for Zimm ? What about justice for both of them.?  C'mon cat, tell us what you really think.   Thanks, Respectfully BCB

BobcatbobIngram
BobcatbobIngram

@ChristinaBussmann @MarkHarrell 

 C.Bussman, what the hell You trying to do ???    Make us THINK ???  Please stop, thinking really spoils the fun of being a racist.!  But since both You, W.Barnes and others seemed intelligent let me ask everyone a question. 

 Am I a racist if I believe Asian folks are the smartest folks on the planet ??

BobcatbobIngram
BobcatbobIngram

@FelixCastro @SirJimmyMac   

Well Felix I have been robbed (on the street) 3 times. Once by a gun tooting blackman and twice by a crowd of blacks who also beat me bloody and screamed racial epitaphs. That is 3 violent attacks on Me. Do You Know ANY black friends that have been violently attacked and robbed 3 times by whites ? 

 I suspect You will NOT answer Yes or NO,

BobcatbobIngram
BobcatbobIngram

@WilliamBarnes @BobcatbobIngram  As of this morning we are to primitive and stupid. 

 Someday humans will get 'better ', I believe the internet with its free distribution of information is helping all of us to 'evolve'. What do You think Mr.Barnes ?

BobcatbobIngram
BobcatbobIngram

@ChristinaBussmann @BobcatbobIngram @MarkHarrell 

 I am NOT misquoting, I copy pasted. Please show me where the 'facts' I  pasted are incorrect. That's called  truthfulness, which is always simpler than Rhetoric which is basically a cowards way of lying.... Like I said show me the Facts. Thanks

ChristinaBussmann
ChristinaBussmann

@BobcatbobIngram @ChristinaBussmann @MarkHarrell 

The link I posted dealt with homicide rates; facts particular to the issue we're addressing.  The statistics you're misquoting is an attempted summation of ALL offense rates, not just violent crimes.  It's called an improper juxtaposition, Babcat.  Facts are facts, and they should be relevant and specific to the topic at hand.

BobcatbobIngram
BobcatbobIngram

@ChristinaBussmann @BobcatbobIngram @MarkHarrell 

Please stop with the lies, it does not help anyone.

I went to the Link you posted, this is the second headline on the first page....In 2005, offending rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites.

 Were you trying some 'false flag' operation Chris ?

ChristinaBussmann
ChristinaBussmann

@BobcatbobIngram @ChristinaBussmann @MarkHarrell   What makes you believe his cited stats "seem accurate?"  I can post you a link the the 2005 DOJ Crime Statistics Report which disputes his numbers (particularly in terms of the likelihood of Blacks killing Whites.)  The numbers do not show a substantial statistical difference among Blacks and Whites in terms of the percentage of homicides committed by each group.  If you want to race-bait, consider the propensity of Whites to kill those familiar to them (family, children, etc) as opposed to Blacks.  The point is you can make the numbers say whatever you want them to say.  

Here's the data:

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm

irrenmann
irrenmann

@maryjohnson321 @irrenmann @SirJimmyMac Incorrect. The law affords self-defense rights to adults, against children or anyone if the situation matches what is set down in the law. That is what "clean shoot" means. Said law is discussed in the story.