California School Bans Leggings Because They Were Distracting To Boys

“When girls bend in leggings the threads spread and that’s really when it becomes a problem,” the school's principal said.

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What do Project Runway’s Tim Gunn, Gossip Girl‘s Blair Waldorf and Kenilworth Junior High in Petaluma, Calif. have in common? They all hate leggings.

Leggings — the skintight alternative to pants, loathed by fashionistas and school administrators alike — are the subject of a growing number of school bans. Schools in Minnesota, Pennsylvania and Nova Scotia, Canada have all prohibited their students from wearing form-fitting clothing.

Kenilworth is the latest school to join the ban, reports ABC News. The school amended its dress code to ban leggings in the classroom, saying that it causes distraction amongst the school’s boys. The school held an assembly for their female students where administrators said that no tight pants – yoga pants, leggings and tight jeans would be allowed. That has since been amended to ban only leggings, unless worn with shorts or paired with a skirt or dress. “Leggings have become popular among girls and many are sheer,” Emily Dunnagan, principal of Kenilworth Junior High, told ABC.  “When girls bend in leggings the threads spread and that’s really when it becomes a problem.”

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While students at the school were upset about the new restrictions, many parents were concerned about the underlying message of the ban, as it puts the burden of preventing the “distraction” of young men on the shoulders of young women. “It is not our girls’ fault that these boys have quote ‘raging hormones’ they can’t control,” said Lisa Simond, a parent, to local news station KTVU. “Boys need to be taught to respect women no matter what they’re wearing, and that’s a big deal,” Jerelyn Kruljac, another local parent, told the broadcaster.

“The concern is we don’t want undergarments showing,” Dunnagan told Patch. “Students need to wear clothing that’s appropriate for the school environment.”

Schools are not the first to notice the problematic sheerness of leggings. Trendy athletic wear manufacturer Lululemon Athletica was forced to pull some of their pricey yoga leggings off of store shelves after discovering that a production glitch made the material almost see-through when used for its intended purpose.

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AVoiceOfReason
AVoiceOfReason

“It is not our girls’ fault that these boys have quote ‘raging hormones’ they can’t control"

It's not the boy's fault either, by her own admission, but is quick to put all the burden on the boys.

What this does is put SOME, NOT ALL, of the responsibility onto the girls, because even with this, boys still got their hormones to temper.

But she won't admit to that, because in this society it is normal to put all the responsibility on the man, even if he is not a man, but a boy.

Why are these children even wearing such trashy outfits and provocative clothing in a junior high school in the first place?  To attract a mate?  School is a place of learning and casual social contact, not a grade-based prostitution ring.

The fault of this goes to the parents of the students and the faculty of the school, for being lax on this matter.

willied663
willied663

It's not about the reaction of boys, it's about wearing inappropriate attire to school. Some choose to be up in arms about male reaction, when it should be the self-esteem of the young lady, and the careless parents that is questioned. Guys will gawk at a woman wearing anything, because we like women. Not every girl has the same motivation for wearing next to nothing in public, many women modestly (wisely) cover their backsides when wearing them. Young girls like to be cute, so it's expected that they would like leggings. Parents, and educators are supposed to show them the right way.

DoriePierce
DoriePierce

You dress appropriate know matter what you do. Employers do not want to see leggings on their employees. Ban the darn things a focus on the important...education;


olasson
olasson

Wear the girls in burkhas and boys never get used to the idea that girls are sexual beings too. The younger boys learn to handle the distractions caused by the female the better for them.

straydog
straydog

My first reaction to this article was shock. How dare they force girls to change their manner of dress because boys (myself included) can't help but be distracted. It sends the wrong message by forcing the 'victim' to change their clothing rather than address the behavior.

But then I realized what they mean when they say 'leggings'. Here I was thinking of the leg warmers that are so popular in the rave scene, but now I see what the actual garment is.

And now my only question at this point is...what kind of parents let their daughter wear what is essentially pantyhose as pants? No wonder the boys are distracted----because wearing underwear as outerwear IS distracting to those around you. Just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD. If the purpose of wearing form-fitting, sheer leggings as pants is done for something other than to attract attention (from the gender the wearer wants), then what IS the purpose of wearing them outside of their intended use? Because at this point they just seem to be worn as pants specifically for the attention--and that's why they should be disallowed from the school. 

Jennybean
Jennybean

These school administrators must have been distracted by *something* during their own educational years. All they had to do was tell *all* students that "School is a place of learning for students (and a place of employment for teachers) and we are all going to dress accordingly. In that spirit, there is to be no sagging, no leggings, no bare shoulders, no bare torsos, no bare feet and so forth for *either* gender". Why would they bring gender into it and hold a "girls only" assembly?? Stupid, asking for trouble, and sending a terrible message. The point should never be that this gender should not "distract" that gender, but that *everyone* should learn and practice how to dress for the occasion (which in this case is school, and not a ballet class or a skatepark). Simple as that.

Jennybean
Jennybean

These school administrators must have been distracted by *something* during their own educational years. All they had to do was tell *all* students that "School is a place of learning for students (and a place of employment for teachers) and we are all going to dress accordingly. In that spirit, there is to be no sagging, no leggings, no bare shoulders, no bare torsos, no bare feet and so forth for *either* gender". Why would they bring gender into it and hold a "girls only" assembly?? Stupid, asking for trouble, and sending a terrible message. The point should never be that this gender should not "distract" that gender, but that *everyone* should learn and practice how to dress for the occasion (which in this case is school, and not a ballet class or a skatepark). Simple as that.

Jennybean
Jennybean

This is a reasonable action, apparently undertaken for the *wrong* reason. All school officials had to say was "All students must wear appropriate clothing for a work and learning environment, which we define as...and then whatever the standards are (no sagging, no leggings, no short-shorts, no spaghetti straps, no shirtless guys, no bare-tummied girls, no bare feet) and so forth.

annetony
annetony

It's not our boy's faults they have raging hormones either.

How would you all feel if I sent my boy to school in man-tights so the "hormonally raging" girls can gape at his "unit."

Really, it's not like it's a good fashion choice for anyone.  At least they aren't forcing them all to wear uniforms.

CynthiaAvishegnath
CynthiaAvishegnath

“It is not our girls’ fault that these boys have ‘raging hormones’ they can’t control”

I would do all I can to protect my under-aged daughter than complain about Providence's or Evolution's fault of boys having raging hormones.

mixedsoup
mixedsoup

It's true that some leggings are see-through and even adults pair them with a top that does not even cover their bottoms. C'mon! I love my leggings but only when they are worn properly and in good taste. 

MarcDaneker
MarcDaneker

No one should mention that it distracts boys .. girls, distract, boys. It's simply a matter of you can't were overly-revealing clothes. I think too many schools have too strict rules but just like we don't let boys where pants that hang down below underwear we don't let girls where pants that you can see through or that form-fit so well that everything detail is exposed.

Savannah!!
Savannah!!

This is hypothetical, I'm not saying one culture is better than another (if anything I'm pointing out the similarities), but this is just something I thought of when reading this article and comments...

If the women are at fault because of their clothing, how come sexual harassment is still rampant in countries where burqas are mandated in public? I recently read an article stating that some people thought it would be a grand idea to make burqas on female infants and toddlers mandatory. So even when its a female INFANT, it's her fault that the men can't keep their eyes and hands to themselves? If people don't take a look at what they're doing, that's where we're heading. If men have the capacity and the sickening arrogance to do that in other countries, they have the capacity to do it here. This is just the beginning.

nwfarmer
nwfarmer

If an office banned leggings because they don't promote a professional environment, no one would bat an eyelash. From the actual quotes of the school officials (i.e. what they said in this article, not what has been ascribed to them), that seems to be all they're talking about--in an environment that is supposed to be for learning, people should dress appropriately. Boys and girls.

DavidLancaster
DavidLancaster

When will the world make Men and Boys responsible for their own self control and their own brains

wrathbrow
wrathbrow

“When girls bend in leggings the threads spread and that’s really when it becomes a problem.”

Then make that what is specified in the ban. Not all leggings. 

KarenKerr
KarenKerr

Hmm. Isn't this the same thinking that led to women having to wear Burqua's. Men cannot be trusted to control themselves if they caught a glimpse of ankle or wrist, so women must cover themselves up?  Why not just ban boys from ogling the girls in the leggings? Its a form of sexual harassment anyway.

cocoaangel
cocoaangel

'm appalled and indignant by the blatant chauvinism expressed in these posts. The references to "she asking for it" and the "PMS" rape legitimizing misogynistic BS from the 1950's. Really?! Fact is America has an poor issue with the human body. You don't have this in Europe, neither, thank god, I live in the bay area.  My alma matter UC Berkeley, had a legendary "naked guy," Andrew Martinez, on our campus. Once we resolved the public health issue, we got over the stigmas of nakedness. He had a great body, very easy on the eyes, but did our GPA's plummet during his stay? No. Did we adjust to the "distraction". Yes. Get over yourselves people, have a healthier respect of human bodies. It is because of our sexual repression that this is an issue to begin with. Dressing conservatively becomes a slippery slope, My middle school had uniforms, what a joke, we looked like catholic lolitas at the end of the day. Further, you are punishing big breasted and callipygous girls and giving them a complex regardless if what they wear is form fitting. You will still have men ogle you, cat call etc.  Every woman has a story of a guy breaking his neck or nearly causing an accident to stare. It is entirely about self control, and it is WRONG to blame the victim, and this is not the message we should be teaching youth. We should be preparing kids for college, wear they will be encountering leggings, and nudists, not perpetuating the sexual repression and sexism.

RoccoJohnson
RoccoJohnson

One of the fundamental differences between men and women is that, generally speaking, women are more attracted to a man's personality and character traits. Certainly, women are attracted by appearance as well, but not generally in the same way a man is. For a woman, sexual attraction is not always based on looks alone. Men, on the other hand, are much more visually stimulated, in that they are initially drawn to a woman based on her appearance and sexiness. There's a reason far more men, than women, watch pornography—it comes down to these two essential differences. While this may be unpalatable to some women it is, nonetheless, the nature of men. 

When a man sees a woman dressed provocatively he assumes she's doing it for the attention of males, yet my wife tells me that women generally dress the way they do for the sake of other women—not from a sexual motive, but because of this competition women have with other women. Most men cannot make any sense out of this, incidentally, myself included. Admittedly many women do dress to get attention from men, but women who do not are often clueless to the effect form-fitting tops and bottoms have on the male population. I guarantee you that most men love this current trend of women wearing leggings because they leave little to the imagination, and they don't have to be transparent to do it. From a man's perspective a woman wearing leggings is pretty much the same as if she were naked.

jvincilione
jvincilione

I'm sorry, but let's be real here. Women use "that time of the month" as an excuse to be rude and snappy and guys just deal with it. I'm not saying they don't have a reason to be but could they get some self control?

I've always thought it was stupid for a woman to wear a low cut shirt, tight pants or short skirt, etc and then get mad a guys for checking them out. If you don't want them checking you out, don't dress that way. Why are they looking? Thats easy to answer, they can look and not touch and not get in trouble. If they didn't control their impulses, every guy that ever thought, "I would mind getting her in bed" (sorry for being crude) you'd have a sexual harassment charge or worse. Every guy would be in prison if they couldn't control themselves, whether they're 15 or 50.

rmccauley37
rmccauley37

I remember when i was a teen back in HS in the late 70's early 80's andyea the girls that had the skin tight pants did looks very tempting but i found that removing the skin tight pants was problamatic because depending on the tightness it could take a good 10 minutes to remove there pants and by the time she had them off mr happy was no longer happy

ArianaBauer
ArianaBauer

Rather than all of this BS, just implement a uniform so both boys and girls must adhere without issue. I am a self do aimed fashionista but went to schools with uniforms my entire k-12 and it was so much easier than dealing with this garbage.

ChemistryBtwnUs
ChemistryBtwnUs

This ban is spot on....leggings are not pants or alternatives for pants....unless you are 5 and they are 100% opaque. They are intended to be used like tights. Keep your butt covered with a tunic or dress when you wear them.

opus619
opus619

This is how women ended up in burqas.

MarissaTaylor
MarissaTaylor

I'm not saying it's okay for guys to look, but I understand that at times they can't control it, especially teen boys. I think that guys should respect girls. But I also think girls should respect guys by watching what they wear in front of them.

vonzimofancy
vonzimofancy

I understand the issue of needing to teach boys boundaries...but to be fair if guys were walking around in sheer pants I'd probably be staring at them too. I think no sheer pants for either gender seems an okay guideline for schools. 

SarahConfran
SarahConfran

As a straight female I am glad other girls are not going to be allowed to wear leggings. Its annoying to constantly see another person's underwear through their leggings. I don't agree with the reasoning however I do agree with the actions. 

altlogin
altlogin

Still? Really?  When does this stop?   In the early 1900s men were still prosecuted for going topless to the beach.  Women could not wear  a bathing suit, just a bathing 'dress.' Boys need to be taught boundaries (I am male).  I remember my  high school principal saying that if it was cold enough for girls to wear pants it was too cold for school.  They had to change to a dress or skirt before class started.  This was in the US northwest in 1964.  Also sounds like the burqa/chaldi laws  in some Muslim community and  the vestigial tail of the old "she dressed provocatively" sexual assault argument.  Come on, let's move on.  Women are humans, not objects. Teach both genders to deal with the truth, not shame it.

StephanieCafasso
StephanieCafasso

While I understand that often times leggings are sheer and expose more than they should, this type of ban punishes women and teaches young boys that it's okay to stare at women or girls in inappropriate ways. Basically, the ban is saying that women need to watch what they're wearing and it's their own fault if men look at them. We need to work on changing this stigma, clothes and clothes and whether a girl is wearing a mini skirt or an oversized sweatshirt, they shouldn't be punished for their fashion choices by being disallowed to wear what they want.

Vanderhoth
Vanderhoth

@MarcDaneker You make a great point. We should be teaching our kids to dress appropriately for the life that comes after school. In hindsight it's quite obvious that "because they were distracting boys" was used to turn this article into a hot topic by pitting genders against one another. Had the title and article just stuck to "California school bans leggings" I'm betting no one would've cared. Throw in the rest and you get the uber feminist crowd foaming at the bit because once again men are trying to control young women by forcing them to dress in a certain way. Then of course you get the foolish men, such as myself, that feel the need to chime in defense because this isn't a case of gender discrimination. Young girls shouldn't be showing off their fannies, it wouldn't fly in the real professional working world, unless you're a prostitute, and it shouldn't fly in schools.

annetony
annetony

@Savannah!! Our society has only been getting more and more permissive, unlike the Eastern cultures you are rambling about.  We are not in danger of "going that way" in any sense.  40 years ago in North America you wouldn't have worn leggings in public without being branded a prostitute, so to say we're slipping into a similar state to these eastern, theocracy-based societies, is just foolish.

Savannah!!
Savannah!!

A further note: I just commented to leave my thoughts, I probably won't reply to anyone. Sorry.

EzeeMarkatuer
EzeeMarkatuer

@DavidLancaster Women are also "responsible for their own self control" and need to learn how to dress appropriately in public...

EzeeMarkatuer
EzeeMarkatuer

@wrathbrow  

... LOL!! And just WHO is supposed to check every girl's pair of leggings as they are bending over?

EzeeMarkatuer
EzeeMarkatuer

@KarenKerr MORE bans... yeah that's the ticket!  They are getting FAR more then "a glimpse of ankle or wrist"... This is straight up @ss they are looking at!

Or would you suggest it's ok for kids to come to school nude - and just ban their curiosity?

annetony
annetony

@KarenKerr Why stop there.  Let's outfit all boys with horse-blinders, and beat them if they look at women.

How do you tell the difference between ogling and looking?  Kids shouldn't look at each other?  WTH?

Tell me you've never looked at another human with desire.  Should we throw you in jail for sexual harassment?

Of course we should teach our children to respect each other, without tolerating sexual aggression in themselves and others, but they need to know that sexuality and love are part of being human, and how to express that.

Leggings are not professional, and school should at the very least be preparing these kids to do something with their lives.

EzeeMarkatuer
EzeeMarkatuer

@cocoaangel Piss poor analogy.... We are talking about CHILDREN in a PUBLIC SCHOOL setting!


If you don't understand the difference, please LEARN it!

EzeeMarkatuer
EzeeMarkatuer

@rmccauley37 No matter HOW tight the pants, leggings or even skirt... NOTHING beats a frilly miniskirt that can EASILY be "bypASSed!

rmccauley37
rmccauley37

Guy's already do and i find it sickening that parents would let there sons go outside sagging hip hugging jeans

FYI parents sagging is a prison style for male inmates that want it up the butt or who like going down on other male inmates allowing your son to dress like that is neglect because your son does not no wjat is means to sag your pants because the punk with all the tats who just got out of prison wears his pants that way and your not to bright of a child thinks he looks cool

EzeeMarkatuer
EzeeMarkatuer

@altlogin Bathing attire was changed for common sense purposes - too much clothing is a safety/drowning hazard.

Women too need to be taught boundaries - wearing ANYTHING is simply not acceptable in ANY society.

There are ALWAYS standards for dress... Even at a nudist colony!

GaryDillon
GaryDillon

@StephanieCafasso  Imagine being very, very hungry and invited to a massive banquet, but when you get there all you are allowed to do is look at the food. That is what it's like to be an adolescent male. Let's make it fair: if girls want to wear tight clothes and boys want to ogle and objectify them, they should both be given the right to do what they want. Unacceptable? Let's discuss it, do a little compromise. How about... You take it easy on the camel toes and we will refrain from telling you how your beauty is breaking our hearts (when boys say that, it's much more crude).

cocoaangel
cocoaangel

@EzeeMarkatuer @cocoaangelJust what about my analogy that you don't like, that its the truth or that it doesn't conform to your normative moral standards? Your blind ignorance and specious comments continues to foster misogyny. Hiding behid non sequiturs don't lessen its veracity. Schools private and public serve but one purpose but to train its pupils boy and girl to be live in the real world. If they cannot handle temptation in schools then they won't handle it in the real world where there are much harsher consequences for lack of self control. Unless you propose the repeal of the first amendment right to freedom of expression in public and private realms then we have nothing further to talk about. What you need to LEARN is something other than ad hominen attacks. 

StephanieCafasso
StephanieCafasso

@GaryDillon @StephanieCafasso I put myself in the shoes of an adolescent boy, like you wanted me to, and I completely understand what you're saying, but at the same time it's so much of a catch 22. Young girls are trying to define their style when they're that age and they're trying to push the limits with it too. Anything a girl wears during this period of time is going to be "distracting" to young boys, because young boys are so often distracted by female presences during this time of their lives, and they hold on to that distraction for many, many years to come. Maybe young boys can't "help it" to stare but girls shouldn't be punished for following fashion and style trends and shouldn't be restricted from wearing a certain piece of clothing because of their peers' wandering eyes either.

PatrickUpson
PatrickUpson

@GaryDillon @StephanieCafasso For the most part I have to agree. It's sad that women just don't seem to understand that if you're going to hold up something shiny, people are going to look.

If you don't want to get hit by a car don't play hockey on a busy street.

cocoaangel
cocoaangel

@Vanderhoth @cocoaangel @EzeeMarkatuer Trying to explain the rational to the irrational is an exercise in futility. All I see are judgments, they have no place in a logical society. Nobody cares what you think the world should be like. The world is dynamic it is changing, not always for the "better". There will be always be abortions, gays, drug use, whether you pro or against is irrelevant. I have studied praexology and worked in harm reduction for years. Such programs is the you can hope for change in human behavior. Besides, what is normal, who decides what is proper? Are we not individuals? people will do with their bodies as they see fit. I'm sure when the first woman wore her skirt above her ankles that caused great scandal, but once again those haters died off, with their beliefs and predjudices, leaving behind a more tolerant society. You wouldn't be the first to hold back the tides of change and fail with your judgments. I pity you, must suck to be at the losing end of paradigmn shifts. 

Vanderhoth
Vanderhoth

@cocoaangel @Vanderhoth @EzeeMarkatuer

"I see and it is up to you to dictate what real world behavior is like."


I don't "dictate" what real world behaviour is, I observe it. That being said, like one drop in an ocean, I, as one person in a collective, have a very minor and insignificant affect on the views of society. I am after all a member of society. And I think less of people that feel showing off their fannies is an acceptable way to dress in an professional environment, men and women. 


Freedom of speech on your own time, in a work environment I expect people to be professional; I expect people won't go around using foul language in the workplace as well. Now if you own your own business do as you please.


"The reality is, there are always going to be those who dislike the way others express themselves and say how society and those in it SHOULD act and behave."


1) This isn't about disliking how someone is expressing themselves, there are plenty of porn stars, strippers and prostitutes where this would be a perfectly acceptable form of dress. It's about teaching up and coming members of SOCIETY what is appropriate in the public professional space, a workplace if you will.

2) The reality IS society decides what's acceptable in society, not the individual, including me and you, and finally

3) SOCIETY has decided this is an inappropriate form of dress for teenage girls.

They don't have to wear burqas, but it's important for them to understand if they treat themselves like eye candy with no respect, that's how everyone else will treat them as well.

It's my wife and daughter's time now so TTFN.

cocoaangel
cocoaangel

@Vanderhoth @cocoaangel @EzeeMarkatuer I see and it is up to you to dictate what real world behavior is like. Obviously you are wrong because this article shows what is going on in the real world. You both simply refuse to ignore it. Just like abstinence only programs,  it is the schools and societies inability to face reality. The reality is we have the ability to express ourselves as protected by the 1st amendment. The reality is, there are always going to be those who dislike the way others express themselves and say how society and those in it SHOULD act and behave. Once again, take the moral high ground, with normative preconceptions and apply them to yourself. The rest of the world will continue to live uncensored, and do with their bodies as they please. 

Vanderhoth
Vanderhoth

@cocoaangel @EzeeMarkatuer I can't speak for EzeeMarkatuer, but "Schools private and public serve but one purpose but to train its pupils boy and girl to be live in the real world.", this is not real world behaviour. Everyone, including women, is expected to dress appropriately for their situation. School is basically our children's profession, and young girls are dressing inappropriately for that job. They aren't learning to be prostitutes and should dress as such.

But of course that's not what this is about at all, it's all about how society (men in particular) are trying to oppress the individuality of young girls. /sarcasm.

And you basically said they should be allowed to come to school naked, because that happens on rare occasions in University so it's obviously the norm and how the "real world" works.

I hope you have a good internal mono-log and can hear yourself when you think and talk. You must be the happiest person in the world, I know I'd be laughing hysterically all the time if that kind of stuff when through my mind

annetony
annetony

@GinAndTonicFor2 To say the boys aren't controlling themselves, and the girls are is very sexist.  I've never seen anybody, male or female, leave the room because they couldn't control themselves.  They shouldn't need a doctors intervention to "deal" with their hormones.  We are naturally sexual beings.  It would be far more useful to teach these kids that they have these desires, and that they are OK and natural, instead of making them all feel like perverts because you don't like how one person looked at you once.  Everybody wants to be admired, by those they admire, but cringe at those they don't.

PatrickUpson
PatrickUpson

@GinAndTonicFor2 Thanks for taking the time to express your view, but I disagree, my key points are:

1) Using YOUR "freedom" as an excuse to tell others what to do is a flawed argument. We ALL have to make reasonable sacrifices.

2) I strongly believe in sacrificing the needs of the few (how one girl dresses) for the needs of the many (fewer distractions for everyone, not just boys). 

3) Dressing appropriately is a life skill, everyone needs to learn it. Prepare your kids for life out side school, including how they dress. This goes for boys as well, no one want's to see your underwear either.

4) Don't tempt fate, take precautions to help reduce your changes of being a victim.

I could write a novel on this topic, unfortunately I have work to do

"we live in America and it's the price we pay for these simple freedoms...." and "Lets tell them how to act instead of what to wear." comes across as "it's ok to tell someone else (boys how to act) what to do, as long as no one tells me (girl what to ware) what to do." 

"the simple fact is that when these boys leave this school at the end of their day their eyes are going to land on all sorts of things, and that's just how life is."

So you're essentially saying it's ok to "control" boys temporary while in school because they see it everywhere else anyway,  but it's not ok to tell girls to be respectful of themselves and how to prepare for life outside school.

The simple fact is that when these girls leave this school to move on with the rest of their lives, no one will take them seriously when they show up to a job interview showing off their underwear, and that's just how life is. Adults are expected to dress "properly" for work and women who dress promiscuously are avoided during hiring. No one wants the distraction or the drama in the workplace. Why should we not expect our daughters to dress "properly" for school for the same reasons?

 Here comes one of my analogies you hate so much; As my Grandmother always told me, "If you don't want to get hit by a car, don't play hockey on a busy street", which is odd since I never played hockey, but it ties into my next point.

When girls dress in provocative ways, they're tempting fate. Let's make no mistake, IF a girl is attacked and raped it is the attackers fault 100%, they committed the crime not the victims. However, in other aspects of our lives everyone will agree that we should take measures to ensure our safety. Stuff like don't walk down dark alleys in the middle of the night in bad neighborhoods. Don't brag about how much money you carry in you purse when you're in public. Don't leave your drink unattended at a bar. 

These are all things we do to help prevent bad things from happening to us.Why should not showing off T&A in public be any different? 

Some people lack self control, we all know it, so why tempt them? If you are going to dress in a way intended to garner sexual attention make sure you're in a large group of trusted friends at all times. 

Are assaults and rapes still going to happen? yes, but it's much less likely you'll be the victim.

GinAndTonicFor2
GinAndTonicFor2

Patrick, I appreciate your argument, but really, you do it no service when you consistently compare it things like smokers in restaurants and screaming fire in crowded theaters because the simple fact is that when these boys leave this school at the end of their day their eyes are going to land on all sorts of things, and that's just how life is. 

So how about as a resolution to this problem we just round up these school boys and point out to them what they're all already seeing everywhere anyway, and then explain that yes, girls sometimes wear distracting things, but you as boys may also do that too because...we live in America and it's the price we pay for these simple freedoms....but also that, more importantly, their hormones are raging and that it's very very important they learn to control themselves around these girls - leave the room if necessary - because that's what the girls are doing when their hormone rage happens to them. Teach them both more about self control, self respect, as well as respect for one another, and a lot less about what to wear. 

These hormones they're BOTH experiencing may very well be uncontrollable without a doctors intervention, but how they actually CHOOSE to conduct themselves while experiencing these raging hormones is all up to them.

Lets tell them how to act instead of what to wear.

Smoking is a choice. As is choosing whether to dine out or not. As is screaming in a movie theater, or going to a movie.

You might as well tell these kids to just not go to school if those are your arguments.



PatrickUpson
PatrickUpson

@StephanieCafasso @PatrickUpson @GaryDillon I think we're pretty well saying the same thing here from two different points of view.

You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Ask girls to dress more conservatively and you're punishing them for being individuals  don't and you're punishing boys by making it harder for them to focus on what they should be (school work). 

IMHO it's like smokers lighting up in a restaurants. Do we ask them to put their butts out so that others can enjoy the meal or do we let them detract from the experience of everyone else in the restaurant? It seems like a clear choice to me.

StephanieCafasso
StephanieCafasso

@PatrickUpson @StephanieCafasso @GaryDillon In this case, I think the girls are being held responsible more so than the boys. The girls are being forced to change their clothing in order to stop the inappropriate distractions. I like your theater analogy though and I get what you're saying. In ideal situations, nobody would be forced to change their clothing and nobody would be reprimanded for acting naturally and evolutionary, but there's always going to be somebody who starts a commotion about things that don't matter.

PatrickUpson
PatrickUpson

@StephanieCafasso @GaryDillon - by that reasoning it would be fine for a girl to wear a two piece thong bathing suit to school. I'm all for individuality and I don't think the ban is right either. I'm not saying girls should all be forced to ware burqas, I just find it a little disconcerting that it's ok for girls to dress intentionally to attract attention, but it's the boys that are held responsible for paying attention. It's like running through a theater screaming fire, then charging anyone that panics with the crime. The onus needs to be on everyone, girls should be just as responsible for their actions as boys are.