A school In Virginia Beach is attempting to extend its policies into student’s homes. Two 7th graders were suspended for playing with toy guns on their own property. A school committee voted to suspend one of the students, Khalid Caraballo, for an entire year.
I will gladly pay for a membership at a local gun club for this child so he can learn gun safety if his parents approve.
My son had a dream that he was dreaming about dreaming of possibly shooting an imaginary air gun at an imaginary target in an imaginary location. Can he be suspended? Or arrested? He is only 28 years old and in the military. Should I be worried?
damn straight he should have been playing with real guns. how can you accidently shoot someone with a toy gun??
Is this for real? I hope there is a lot more to this story that we just aren't hearing because this is just ridiculous. WHY DOESNT THE SCHOOL JUST FOCUS ON PROVIDING THE BEST EDUCATION THEY CAN TO THESE KIDS!!!!!!!! Regardless, this won't stand for long. There is no legal justification for a school to reach into a childs home. The childs parents, or parent, is responsible for deciding how they are going to raise their children and what toys they are going to play with.
I used to play with toy guns at home. I knew lots of kids who did that, it simply was not an issue when I was a kid. I doubt taking away toy guns is going to accomplish any goal. The reality is that school shooting are relatively rare, and the extension of a school policy to a childs home isn't going to have a great affect on the problem. Certainly not enough to justify this kind of intrusion.
I am starting to have a huge problem with schools. I tell my kids that they are allowed to defend themselves if they have to. To prevent physical injury or if they reasonably feel threatened. I also tell them what my father told me: if a bully is bullying you, go ahead and pop them. My Dad told me that you may take a beating, but as long as you go down swinging, that bully is going to move on to weaker opponents. Im sticking to this wisdom. I also tell my kids that if I find out that they are bullying kids, they will get it 3x as bad when they get home. Humiliating and abusing other students will not be tolerated in this family. But schools view it differently. It doesn't matter who swings first or why. Both children are equally punished. So I say, f it. My kids may get in trouble at school, but they won't be in trouble at home. The school can have their policies and my kids will give the principal as much respect as they deserve in their official capacity. But I am the father. These are MY children. I helped bring them into this world and I it is my responsibility to provide for their spiritual, mental, emotional, and physical needs until they are grown up enough to take care of themselves.
Guns aren't bad. People are bad. Poverty is bad. Not providing sick people with the mental health support they need is bad. Guns are tools. Tools used by people to protect their homes. Tools used to put meat in the freezer. Tools used to defend this country. At the end of the day, no policy punishing students for playing with toy guns at home is going to solve any of those issues. All this policy does is irritate me and open up the school to a lawsuit that will cost them money. Just stupid.
What next, the thought police invading their dreams ? At school this might be acceptable, but in/at their own homes ? How absurd.
Wonder what the penalty would have been if their father had taken them to a shooting range ?
Wow, we've been playing with soft air guns from early ages, at home, outside, at school and everybody is ok, nobody is a criminal or something. People are just stupid.
They weren't on private property. They were shooting fake guns at a public bus stop. Which is illegal. So yeah, the school was well within their rights here.
This is unbelievable. I played with toy guns all the time when I was a child, as well as GI Joes. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this behavior and I would say it's expected from a boy his age. It's certainly no different that sitting in the house playing war scenario based video games. Soon it'll be banning board games like Battleship because it's helping children locate, identify, and 'sink' targets...or banning kids from school for learning martial arts. That school should be embarrassed.
This is CRAAAAAAZZZYYYY! Even if he did everything the school is claiming, a 7-10 day suspension is more than adequate. Maybe it´s because this young boy and his family aren´t considered "important", people feel like they can use him as a punching bag to do whatever it is they are trying to do. It seems like some people are using him to push a political agenda or power trip or who knows what.
it is correct to suspend them. this behavior starts when they are young. we need to outlaw all facsimiles of guns from the toy world. these people grow up to be some of our worst citizens, believing they can solve disputes with guns or hunt and kill whatever they want.
This is an example of a school exceeding the limited authority they have, which should be in and around school grounds, on a school bus and sporting events sanctioned by the school and under there control. The video of this young man shows a very respectful kid, who appears to be a very well rounded kid for his age and typical suburbanite. his mother also took responsible action reference to her son. This school and its board must be on a power trip or just scared because of past school shootings around the country. But this happen on private property even local police did not make it a issue.
The school board should be charged with child abuse! This is what liberals want for all of america. Every one of them are Democrats and Obama supporters! I hope this kid's parents sue each one of them individually for civil rights violations.
Stupid, which is the only logical conclusion when having this debate about gun control out of passion and not sense.
I'm all for reasonable gun control, but this situation is silly and a waste of police resources, taxpayer money and a huge way to wreck a kids education and start the process of criminalizing him at the same time.
hmm. That's over the line for a school. If anything based of the info here, possibly a city issue, but one of the minorist infractions, if anything, a simple cease and desist would be the most common sense first approach. School imo, is greatly overstepping and overdramatizing and act that mom seems to be determined to take control of.
I AM ALL FOR STRONGER GUN CONTROL, THAT THIS COUTRY DESPERATELY NEEDS, BUT THIS THIS SCHOOL ACTION IS TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL.
@aztecian I take my youngest children ages 12, 8 and 7 shooting regularly at our local gun club. My eldest son is 28 and a very well adjusted college Grad with no violent tendencies. Guns are tools just like knives or hammers or saws. They can be used for hunting , self defense or recreation. It is curious to see that our government wants to restrict guns here in America yet it has no issue using military power to achieve its goals in far off lands......
@aztecian Come on. Talk about forcing your views on other people. I know the type to say something like this, but I am not going there today. I will however point out some flaws to your argument.
1st - all behavior starts when children are young. That said, there is no hard and fast rule that says if you play with toy guns as a child then you will become a psychotic school shooter. Thats ridiculous. As it is true that all behavior develops in young children, children also grow up and learn what is acceptable and what is not.
2nd - not everyone is a vegan. In fact, the vast majority of people are not vegans. Further, veganism (while extremely healthy) has not been how humans have sustained themselves throughout their evolution. Hunting, fishing and gathering were the norm long before agriculture.
3rd - you may be more evolved than the rest of us, but we are hard wired to hunt. Period. We are animals, after all and there has been a surplus of food for long enough for us to break that wiring. most of human history has been near starvation. You can say that it isn't necessary, until of course, you are starving. Do people who aren't starving hunt? Sure, because we are hard wired to do so. Where I grew up hunting was more about parents teaching their children to be self-sufficient and responsible as opposed to sport.
4th - claiming that children who play with guns become the worst citizens is straight up asinine. Poverty and poor mental health are probably the biggest factors in a child growing up violence prone.
5th - There is nothing wrong with fostering a martial spirit in your children. Like it or not, we are a polity with borders and those borders need protecting. That requires police and more importantly soldiers. Im sure you hate war, as do I, but the reality is that it exists and it may very well come down to your child having to fight it if need be. Do you really want your child to have to insert themselves into military training believing that guns are the worlds greatest evil? Do you think that will save them from having to go fight if it came down to them being conscripted?
6th - Toy guns give parents an opportunity to socialize their children into what is acceptable and what is not. It ia a chance for parents to explain that the gun is a toy, and the real thing is dangerous. It starts a real conversation. Not a one sided, ideological black line that a parent tells their child they can not cross.
7th - this is America. I feel like Rush Limbaugh when I have to put it out there like that, but it is. The whole concept was to have a democracy where we could agree on policy without having to commit violence to get our way. But it is a liberal democracy. the Bill of Rights aside, the whole concept for this country is to have as much freedom as possible, in order to pursue happiness as possible, while staying within the limits of what policies the polity finds necessary for us all to live in it, so we can all have freedom and pursue happiness. Making policy out of your own ideology is not how this is supposed to work. How about you don't let your kids play with guns, and you don't but into what I allow my kids to do, UNLESS WHAT THEY ARE DOING ACTUALLY CAUSES A CONTROVERSY. not a hypothetical one. Then go ahead and call the police. We will hash it out in court.
@aztecian Whereas the actions against the boys is correct, you are therefore entitled to your opinion on guns. But having grown up with weapons and using those weapons for target shooting, I see no problems with children "playing" toy versions of them.
I have quite a few weapons in my household, all locked away when not being used for target practice. I have a concealed weapons permit, and do carry a weapon on my person. But this does not make me any type of "gun toting lunatic". My work puts me in dangerous places, with potential harm. Thus weapons are necessary.
The majority of those who have weapons do so without breaking the law. When you can find a way to take away the guns from the criminals without breaching the 2nd amendment, perhaps then we the people might decide to rewrite even that part of that document.
You are an idiot!!!! You spout off this rhetoric with no basis in fact and then hold hands and sing Kum Ba ya and think that will solve all the world's problems.
@aztecianGuess USA should really be the United States of Great Britain.
... maybe he will become a policeman or armed forces personnel. He seem to be wanting to show respect... you are extreme in your idealistic view. I share your appall at gun violence against the innocent but responsible, life respecting use of firearms is needed. Responsible use of ANYTHING is the lesson: drugs, sex, authority, and yes, firearms.
@aztecian I want to punch you in the throat right now.......
@aztecian I am not a gun owner. I'm not a big fan of guns. But you are incorrect. I played with toy guns as a child. Built them out of Legos, even. Not once did I ever think of using a gun to harm anyone. Your assumptions are quite asinine and incorrect.
@fedsnodixieyes OK, I thought I was a pretty vocal advocate here, but you just took a stupid comment and advanced the stupid a little farther.
1st - liberals are democrats and all Dems voted for Obama. I really don't see how that even matters here, but way to point out the obvious.
2nd - if you think that all liberals think and talk like this then you need to leave the coffee social at church and go talk to a liberal. I think you would be surprised. Liberals aren't all vegan, tree hugging hippies. That is just stupid. I bet most liberal parents allow their children to play with toy guns. My parents were super liberal. My mom is a feminist (though a whole lot less so as she gets older) and my dad was an actual hippie in the 60's. After he got back from Vietnam. I think he helped campaign for McGovern. I know he followed the Grateful Dead for most of my childhood. And they bought us Laser Tag!. My mom sowed an army uniform so I could be a soldier for halloween. I was a boy scout. I played football. You are just as wrong as the gun nut bag when you start saying things like that.
Are there any normal Americans anymore?
Pardon my confusion but according to the Republican Party of Virginia Beach website at least 6 of the 11 members of the school board are Republicans. Not sure what political persuasion the other 5 might be.
@TARSTHEVIKING this country does not need stronger gun control. this nation needs stronger laws enforced on the criminals and people with mental illness that murder innocent people. the gun cannot kill. it takes a person using a gun to kill. people like you have it backwards. why is the murder rate higher in states that have very strict gun control laws and have no stand your ground laws compared to states that allow citizens to carry concealed guns and have stand your ground laws? the criminals are afraid they might attack or try to rob a law abiding gun carrying citizen that will drop their dumba@@ in a heartbeat. people with mental illness are not that crazy because even they realize we are armed and will drop them in a heartbeat also. this country needs to go back to being tough on criminals and get off of the liberal bandwagon of rewarding criminals.
@sfreemanoh @Openminded1 The kid maybe a little con man, and it appears to have had other issues in school. But it still did not happen on school grounds. This kid needs to get mental help based on his past behavior, but i checked further and he was no where near school property, thus the school has and had no jurisdiction in the matter.
I was nodding my head till you got to the whole liberal bandwagon part. And I think that you need to clarify what you mean by laws against people with mental health issues. If by that you mean people who have been diagnosed by a doctor to have some type of mental illness that could lead to violence should not be allowed to purchase firearms, then I am with you. If you mean that we should have laws that criminalize being mentally ill, than I think you are very wrong. I agree with you about stand your ground laws. I also know that stand your ground laws create very real legal issues, but that can be worked out in court or in the legislature. No law is perfect right off, they all need to be modified and interpreted. The point is that I agree with you that stand your ground has a very real deterent effect that having armed police alone just don't have anymore.
Also - your going to have to clarify what you mean by liberals rewarding criminals. I am not sure when I ever saw a lib era actually reward a criminal. Obama isn't standing by the prison gates just handing out bags of cash to the boys when that walk out.
@aztecian @BrentLopez I grew up watching shows like the A-team and such, and playing "guns" and "war" was a HUGE part of my childhood. At no point did I ever want a real gun or feel the need to shoot anyone, nor do I now as an adult, knowing the difference between playing and actually killing somebody!! I dont think its an issue of what kids watch or play. A violent person will gravitate towards guns and violence......not be TURNED into a violent person because of what they played with as a child.
@aztecian @TimHuskey OMG! no kid is making plastic guns that shoot real bullets!! It took a company with a tremendous amount of funding years to create a plastic gun that fires bullets! Now if a kid of one of the people who work for that company starts playing WITH ONE OF THOSE PLASTIC GUNS in his front yard I will be the first person on your doorstep saying, "lets go get um!"
@ThorvingtonFinglethorpe You must not have comprehended my post, I am a 30 year police veteran. and well aware of most laws. Every jurisdiction as different codes and policies. The school has no jurisdiction at public bus company bus stops, only school bus stops and on school district buses. the story was not not clear on that point. also the school has no jurisdiction off school property, within 100 yards in most districts, and only on buses run by the district and sanctioned sporting events. They have no legal or otherwise obligation off school property. and without a doubt on some ones private property. The gun was not brought to school nor anywhere near school property. listen to the story and read it carefully you are assuming the bus stop was a school bus stop not a city bus stop. This kid maybe a problem, and needs to be reined in , But if he is not on school property the school district has no legal standing period. The police jurisdiction and citizens around the incident can take action and complain. The school admin over stepped their authority in this case no matter what their intent was.
@nathanielgainer @Openminded1 @sfreemanoh Actually, the school has a legal obligation (not just a right) to enforce school discipline at bus stops and on buses (see case law from the 1990s) because transportation to and from school, especially on school-provided vehicles (i.e. schools buses they've contracted for) is treated as a de facto extension of the school. If the school doesn't enforce discipline on buses and at bus stops they are behaving negligently, and are potentially liable for things that happen at these "unregulated" bus stops that the school controls but is exercising no authority over.
And honestly, if the kid's parents have so little control over him that they were unaware their son was bringing a BB gun to the bus stop and shooting other students with it/menacing other students with it, I'm not sure what good "calling the parents" is going to do. It's pretty obvious from the alternative link provided that they'd already tried to rein this behavior in (numerous times) without a suspension, but "talking to the parents" hadn't gotten them anywhere.
Honestly, this kid is lucky it's just a school suspension--that won't leave a criminal record that would stop him from getting a job. If they'd done nothing chances are other students' parents would bring in the police, and once the justice system gets involved the kid's life is basically ruined, forever, because of how ridiculously punitive we are to youth offenders in this country.
@Openminded1 @sfreemanoh So true. I am certainly not advocating this kid should be immune for punishment FOR WHAT HE DID IN SCHOOL. If he scared some kids at a bus stop by pointing an airsoft gun at them, then call his parents and tell them that he scared some kids at a bus stop by pointing an airsoft gun at them. Let the parent, or parents take care of it. If the parents aren't doing their job, then wait to till the kid messes up IN SCHOOL (and we all know he probably will) them throw the book at him for all of his offenses while he was AT SCHOOL.