Jefferson Aims to Be the 51st State in the Union

A second county in rural Northern California votes to secede

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Flag for the proposed 51st State, Jefferson.

A second county in Northern California has voted to secede from the Golden State, as part of a growing effort to create a 51st state.

In a 4-0 vote, Modoc County leaders voted for secession just weeks after neighboring Siskiyou County did the same, Fox News reports. The county, located about 50 miles south of the Oregon border, had a population of 9,237 in 2012, according to census records. Siskiyou County, which passed its own vote on Sept. 3, has a population of 44,154.

Modoc and Siskiyou hope to form a new state called Jefferson with some Southern Oregon counties that also plan to secede from their state.

Many residents in the rural communities along the California-Oregon border have long felt ignored by the urban-dominated legislatures in their states.

Leaders of the secession movement hope to get twelve counties to vote to secede before asking the California government for approval. Congress would also have to approve the creation of a new state.

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[Fox News]

33 comments
bogdensmith
bogdensmith

jus dumb ass hicks say burn rubber take your ass south we say just log just fish just drill and most of all just dredge and lets grow some weed and charge you bitches for our watter

Frustrated_Californian
Frustrated_Californian

I'm from Tehama county and I can honestly say all these uppity rednecks are getting annoying. Can someone PLEASE step in and explain to them why it's a poor idea? It's like they're children throwing a fit because someone said no. How are the laws going to be different? What's staying the same? The only answer so far has been "whatever Sacramento isn't doing". If this passes many of us are moving south, hope you dumbass hicks have fun.

Khronos
Khronos

Why is the comment box not working?  I was going to give a long reply but when I did I got an *error this cannot be processed* message.

uualbertomiller
uualbertomiller

These idiots don't like moderates and these same clowns allowed a Socialist to be elected for a Seattle City Council seat.

grandpagus2
grandpagus2

Why would we in Oregon want to have anything to do with these knuckleheads?  These are simply Tea Partiers who can't stand anyone trying to conduct governmental affairs.  The conservatives had their day in California, now they want out when its not going their way. Bunch of children.  

FenGregersen
FenGregersen

I really hope it works this time.  They've been talking about the State of Jefferson forever now up here, but I hope this time, it's more than just talk.

dwyercd
dwyercd

Best of luck to them. And hey, if all goes well, they could be neighbors with the sovereign nation of Cascadia. That'd be a fun little melange of world views. 

bill1
bill1

They're like spoiled brats - if the don't get their way, they'll take their football and go home - or in this case secede.


aztecian
aztecian

st. of jefferson...capital of meth and white trash skinheads.

Promontorium
Promontorium

It's possible if the ball keeps rolling. Someone needs to start organizing, work with the people of the prospective counties, come up with a rough draft of a state constitution that would inspire others. It would also be more likely to succeed if it didn't simply rely in being "rural" but friendly to business and enterprise. It could succeed if it lured people away from California. 

Joe19366
Joe19366

@grandpagus2 No, we not children... just sick and tired of paying for other people's poor life choices... why should people who dont want to work their productive years for the welfare doled out in big cities be forced to pay for it?

Let those welfare babies fight each other to death for that last few crumbs... that's how we see it

uualbertomiller
uualbertomiller

@dwyercd Cascadia a marxist planned country is this the same group?

tinano
tinano

@bill1 why is that a bad thing? if you cant get along isn't it better to walk away? 

JamesAndersonMerritt
JamesAndersonMerritt

@bill1 The State of Jefferson secession effort has a long history, and was about to be addressed officially in December of 1941 -- but then the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor and the nation had more important things to handle than redrawing internal borders. This isn't a "spoiled brat" situation, it is more like siblings seeking to be emancipated from abusive parents. Check out Jefferson's history. If the problems were serious in 1941 and have only grown worse and more numerous in the 72 years since, I think that secession from California and Oregon, to form the 51st State, is a reasonable thing to discuss in the modern day.

DeweySayenoff
DeweySayenoff

@Promontorium -laughs-

Sure.  Hold onto that dream.  In order to be a state in the United States, you need both a minimum population and a popular vote.  And a bunch of county supervisors voting isn't a popular vote.

You'd have a state with no industry, no manufacturing, no agriculture, no tourism and no chance at being anything but a drain on federal funds.  What you have is a bunch of malcontents (at least elected malcontents) who rely on a state to keep them in cat food and kitty litter wanting bascially to cut their own fiscal throats.

Good luck with that.

MrLightRail
MrLightRail

@Joe19366 @grandpagus2 How about you just secede from the US, and be done with it. Your racist, hateful faux Christians who think that welfare is only doled out in the cities? Your backwards counties are most likely full of your so called "takers"!!!

WilliamCarr
WilliamCarr

@tinano @bill1 

That’s like saying if you don’t like the law, you should be able to ignore it.

The way Democracy works is, you vote; if you don’t have the majority, you don’t have power, and there’s no consolation prize.

Otherwise lunatics could decide to secede from the Union and then start a War... oh, that already happened.


tinano
tinano

@DeweySayenoff @Promontorium if they actually were able to secede, they would not be subject to us laws, which is why they need approval from congress. the new entity would not have ratified the constitution - and would not be part of the US unless they petitioned and were granted statehood. So if its as you say and they don't have anything it would be a simple matter for the US govt to wipe its hands and refuse to allow the new "state" to join the union.

#libtardedamerica
#libtardedamerica

@DeweySayenoff @Promontorium  

"You'd have a state with no industry, no manufacturing, no agriculture, no tourism and no chance at being anything but a drain on federal funds."

wrong, moron. no industry? try timber and tourism (which also shoots a hole in your idiotic view that there would be no tourism). no agriculture? are you kidding me? that's part of why they're trying to secede: farmers don't feel they're being taken care of by the government. just...wow. smh


MiddleBrownie
MiddleBrownie

@DeweySayenoff @Promontorium Dewey, your worldview forces you to believe that everyone is here to live as subjects of a benevolent government, handing out what we need. Please remember that our constitution, unlike other dictatorships throughout history, begins with "We the People...", as in, the people grant - and remove - the power from the government. Dictatorships constitutions begin "We the Government, grant to you the people..." 

It sounds to me like the State of Jefferson wants to be self-sufficient. If you were smart, you'd be onboard with this...these proud people don't want Federal government money, but as a US state they'll still be forced to send some of their bounty up to DC for you to spend.

xaderalerts
xaderalerts

@DeweySayenoff @Promontorium No agriculture? You do know that the rural parts of the state (aka, the producers of 100% of the agriculture) are the ones interested in removing themselves from the control of the urban-centric legislatures...

WilliamCarr
WilliamCarr

@JamesAndersonMerritt @bill1 

There ARE no “Jefferson-Staters”.   Those people live in Oregon and California.

The Constitution says no new States shall be made within existing States or from parts of States, without the approval of Congress.

It ain’t gonna happen.   Move to Mexico and start a colony for lunatics, that’s much easier.

bill1
bill1

@JamesAndersonMerritt @bill1 The differences between urban/suburban and rural areas happen in most states - NY, PA, CA, etc.   ...and would undoubtedly happen in a breakaway state, as well (e.g. farmng areas of So. CA vs LA).  Most people live with it.

JamesAndersonMerritt
JamesAndersonMerritt

@bill1 @JamesAndersonMerritt I'll accept your reply if you have studied the history of the movement and have considered how you would feel, and what you would do, if you walked in the shoes of the Jefferson-Staters. Otherwise, I see your "balderdash" and raise you a "non-responsive abuse!" ;-)

VinnyGordon
VinnyGordon

@#libtardedamerica @DeweySayenoff @Promontorium Farmers feel that they are not being taken care of by the government. What you farmers now want welfare. Where is all that stop government spending, bootstraps, being independent. Or that just applies to poor people but farmers are entitled to get welfare. 

WilliamCarr
WilliamCarr

@MiddleBrownie @DeweySayenoff @Promontorium 

And... you completely missed the point.

A minority of malcontents can’t vote themselves out of a State or out of the Union.

Otherwise, you’d be able to vote YOURSELF out of the Union, just your own privately owned property.

Then you’d name your tiny little country “Dumbassistan” and proclaim you don’t need to pay taxes.

Go back and study History.  

To become a State, you needed a)unclaimed Territory, b)a population of 50,000 people, and c) a majority voting in favor of Statehood.

Libertarian dunces may not understand this.  The anti-government mojo is STRONG in these idiots.

But you don’t get to seize American territory and leave.  

You don’t get to seize American Territory and declare your County a separate State, either.

You don’t get to form fifty extra States inside the existing States so your braindead political movement suddenly has 100 more Libertarian Senators and 50 Libertarian Representatives.

GET the Hell OVER it.   

You Can’t Do It !

The South tried this strategy, seizing American Territory and seceding.

Then they attacked Fort Sumpter, American property and personnel.

Four years later they were CRUSHED. BEATEN.  BURNED.

And humiliated.

If you don’t like living in America, leave.


Openminded1
Openminded1

@xaderalerts @DeweySayenoff @Promontorium What you need to understand x is that dewey thinks very highly of himself. He is a condescending pompous ass, who thinks he knows it all. when in fact his liberal rhetoric is bias to anything along the democratic party lines.